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[17:26]<rnnyn>FBH^, you'll need to go to the nearest office with your passport, i-94, imm. documents etc
[17:26]<cxrjs>FBH^: you think we americans are _that_ organized? ;)
[17:26]<rnnyn>FBH^, make sure to take all your immigrant and work stuff with you
[17:27]<gndyvx>http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10096.html
[17:28]<rnnyn>FBH^, and be prepared that you'll get your SSN card no earlier than 2-3 weeks :)
[17:28]<rnnyn>not these days
[17:28]<rnnyn>they don't give it over the phone anymore
[17:28]<rnnyn>(***ers!)
[17:29]<gndyvx>stupid Homeland Security
[17:30]<vd2r>what would you call a 15454 ONS overall? a mux?
[17:32]<rnnyn>FBH: usually not a big deal if employer treats you well :)
[17:45]<cxrjs>tmbg: fiber switch
[17:46]<cxrjs>Optical Network Switch
[17:47]<vd2r>ahhh
[17:49]<vd2r>for some reason I couldn't find in cisco's documentation wtf it actually was. I have an inkling of what you can do with them but haven't ever set one up
[17:57]<djzwzvnz>Can anyone suggest a stackable catalyst that runs IOS that is most similar to that of a 6509 as far as command set?
[17:59]<j2rgvr>6509s can run both CatOS or IOS
[17:59]<djzwzvnz>i know i only need 48 ports though for a special application
[17:59]<j2rgvr>Any recent stackable switch will be running IOS, so the command set will be identical for the most part.
[18:00]<djzwzvnz>i have one that runs IOS that is totally different
[18:00]<j2rgvr>DogWater: IF you know that then why didn't you specify if you wanted CatOS or IOS?
[18:01]<djzwzvnz>I did
[18:02]<djzwzvnz>stackable catalyst that runs IOS that is most similar to 6509 as far as command set.
[18:02]<djzwzvnz>thats pretty concise
[18:03]<djzwzvnz>I realize there will be a little drift as far as the command set as the hardware is different
[18:03]<djzwzvnz>but I noticed the stack switch i have is completely different from the 6509s i have
[18:03]<djzwzvnz>and they're both ios
[18:08]<zzwffzdnz>RE
[18:08]<vcul>Rawplayer, did you get that acl to work last night?
[18:08]<zzwffzdnz>wellll
[18:08]<zzwffzdnz>it works
[18:09]<zzwffzdnz>but not how it should work
[18:09]<zzwffzdnz>1 moment
[18:10]<zzwffzdnz> permit ip 10.8.1.208 0.0.0.7 host 10.8.1.214
[18:10]<zzwffzdnz>i solved it with that
[18:12]<vcul>Rawplayer, yeah that's exactly what I did here to test it out. I still don't understand why the extended acl didn't work on my setup either
[18:13]<zzwffzdnz>well it has todo with established connections
[18:13]<zzwffzdnz>i'am almost aware of that
[18:13]<vcul>are you applying it to a router's int or an end host?
[18:25]<cxrjs>DogWater: for stackable, you probably want a 3750. But a 3550 will have the ports without the stacking.
[18:25]<fjzvxnz>3750 is better all-around IMO
[18:26]<cxrjs>DogWater: what IOS switch do you have that is "not like 6509"?
[18:27]<kzfdzyzg>Chaos: 3560 replaced the 3550, not that it actually means anything so far as functionality.
[18:27]<gndyvx>it does actually
[18:28]<gndyvx>3560 has 4 times the ram and a lot more features than the 3550
[18:28]<cxrjs>oh, we have 2 3550s and one 3750 (for PoE), I had not seen the 3650s
[18:28]<cxrjs>er, 3560.
[18:28]<gndyvx>3560's are really a 3750 without stackwise
[18:29]<gndyvx>really a no brainer. like 2950 vs 2960
[18:30]<fjzvxnz>3560s are gigabit?
[18:30]<kzfdzyzg>Yep, can be.
[18:30]<gndyvx>there is a gigabit configurations for them
[18:30]<fjzvxnz>nice.
[18:30]<zzwffzdnz>tkup: ethernet0
[18:30]<zzwffzdnz>inbound
[18:30]<dzzc1lyvn>nemith- the 3750 also have the gig ports built in..
[18:30]<gndyvx>sure
[18:30]<dzzc1lyvn>so you don't have to use the GBIC..
[18:31]<dzzc1lyvn>the 3560's have those to?
[18:31]<fjzvxnz>i like gbics.
[18:31]<kzfdzyzg>3560 uses SFP.
[18:31]<gndyvx>you mean the SFPs?
[18:31]<r2rfajd2>My Cisco 2821 came with IOS 12.4. Is 12.4T what I need to upgrade to have VPN and firewall features?
[18:31]<dzzc1lyvn>yeah
[18:31]<dzzc1lyvn>SFP
[18:31]<kzfdzyzg>And it can be configured with copper 10/100/1000 interfaces.
[18:31]<dzzc1lyvn>copper my foot..
[18:31]<fjzvxnz>i'd rather have fiber, FWIW.
[18:31]<gndyvx>Dark3Lite: same thing, 24 port 3560 has two SPF, 48 port has four SPF
[18:32]<gndyvx>loather: to the desktop?
[18:32]<kzfdzyzg>Cisco Catalyst 3560G-48TS: 48 Ethernet 10/100/1000 ports and 4 SFP ports
[18:32]<fjzvxnz>anything permanent installation, sure
[18:32]<gndyvx>thats retarded
[18:32]<kzfdzyzg>What advantage does fiber have over copper?
[18:32]<gndyvx>the price of the fiber does not justify the advantages
[18:33]<dzzc1lyvn>so don't have to buy any gbics.
[18:33]<cxrjs>jbalcomb: you need a feature set upgrade that uncludes FW
[18:33]<dzzc1lyvn>you just plug in straight
[18:33]<fjzvxnz>fiber is expensive, yes.
[18:33]<dzzc1lyvn>yea
[18:33]<j2rgvr>DogWater, Hmm, apparently I can't read well. I skipped over the IOS part.
[18:33]<r2rfajd2>I thought the joy of gigabit fiber was just the longer line length?
[18:33]<gndyvx>Kalmairn: no noise issues (EMI)
[18:33]<gndyvx>usually more reliable
[18:33]<fjzvxnz>Kalmairn: a bit more reliable, and it has longer line lengths. no electromagnetic noise, so you can run it pretty much anywhere
[18:34]<fjzvxnz>copper starts flaking at between 75-100M depending on cable category and number of patches
[18:35]<fjzvxnz>multimode fiber can go for 650M (SX) and singlemode fiber can go 12km or so (LX)
[18:35]<gndyvx>and ZX can go 60km
[18:35]<dzzc1lyvn>what's the diff between the multi and single?
[18:36]<kzfdzyzg>For Small-Medium Datacenters, seems like there's no difference.
[18:36]<kzfdzyzg>At least, if you plan appropriately to ensure limited EMI concerns - power run separation, proper bundling and distribution,e tc.
[18:36]<vcul>Rawplayer, odd thing was that the telnet packet was hitting the acl just fine but ios would not let it pass through
[18:36]<fjzvxnz>Dark3Lite: multimode uses lights of various wavelengths to transfer data. the conductor and the reflective parts are slightly bigger than that of singlemode, which uses a single wavelength light and smaller cores and reflective media.
[18:37]<fjzvxnz>typically, multimode uses LED-based emitters whereas singlemode uses laser
[18:37]<dzzc1lyvn>ahh I get it
[18:37]<fjzvxnz>but there are always exceptions to that, of course
[18:38]<dzzc1lyvn>well true..
[18:38]<dzzc1lyvn>for long runs I we use the LX
[18:38]<dzzc1lyvn>short we use SX
[18:38]<gndyvx>yeah

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