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[00:05]<msxjv>yay, after 5 hours we hath restored the all-important IPSec tunnel to FTP some data off some crapper mainframe
[00:05]<msxjv>this is what I live for
[00:07]<msxjv>I guess god forbid people just use SFTP or similar
[00:08]<msxjv>although, we are talking about mainframes here... the stack on our MVS is from 1985
[00:08]<msxjv>turns out RFCs changed since then
[00:08]<msxjv>but it never fails, the old guard wants to point fingers at something else...
[00:09]<vcul>dshot, what industry do you work in?
[00:09]<msxjv>I'm not sure, actually
[00:09]<msxjv>I think we do something
[00:10]<msxjv>not 100% on that
[00:11]<msxjv>Lets put it this way, if XML was the bright center of the universe, we're on that backwater planet called EDI
[00:16]<dzzc1lyvn>omg
[00:17]<dzzc1lyvn>this Cisco BSCI books sucks
[00:17]<dzzc1lyvn>knowledgenet all the way..
[00:21]<dzzc1lyvn>catch you guys later
[00:38]<vd2r>.0.0.0
[00:56]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>dshot: EDI-X12? the division of IBM I work for does B2B. I deal with EDI all the time.
[01:09]<-- rjrvcxrrr xrs fuy>http://www.jpg.com")
[01:22]<vd2r>.
[01:23]<vd2r>I want a 288 port hub.
[01:44]<msxjv>yeah loather
[01:45]<msxjv>a 288 port hub lol
[01:45]<msxjv>you'd have to use more than 8-bits for an interface ID
[01:49]<vd2r>interface ID? it's a friggin hub.
[01:50]<gndyvx>heh
[01:51]<gndyvx>i've had a 336 port switch
[02:00]<vd2r>hrm. not sure of our switch with the most ports. probably the 4510R. it'll eventually have 8x ws-x4148-mtrjs in it.
[02:00]<vd2r>oh there's a 5513 that's retarded huge.
[02:02]<gndyvx>and retarded to still have :P
[02:03]<gndyvx>ah documentation... fun to have
[02:04]<gndyvx>Packet is no longer free?
[02:04]<gndyvx> ONE-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (4 issues + Reader Tip supplement) for just $19.95 ($26.50 International, US Dollars) - $10 off regular subscription price. <-RRRRRIPPP
[02:04]<vd2r>nemith: yeah we're replacing them with 4500 series stuff.
[02:05]<vd2r>we have like 100x 5500 series chassis' that we need to turn into cisco for credit
[02:05]<gndyvx>heh
[02:05]<vd2r>a few ONS's doing nothing that we could score tons of credit for.
[02:06]<vd2r>you wouldn't believe the pile of 1900s we have.
[02:06]<vd2r>literally pile. goes from floor to ceiling
[02:07]<vd2r>now those things are retarded to have. I'd rather use a boatload of 5500s than -any- 1900s
[02:07]<gndyvx>good to see them gone too :)
[02:07]<vd2r>3500/3550s are starting to piss me off too.
[02:07]<gndyvx>how so?
[02:08]<vd2r>they're EOL or EOS and are just different enough in IOS from stuff like 6500/4500/2600/etc to annoy me.
[02:09]<vd2r>still scores better than a 1900 though.
[02:09]<msxjv>I've gotten used to the 3500
[02:10]<msxjv>I don't put a lot of onus into memorizing horseshit IOS things though, the theory is good enough
[02:10]<vd2r>it's not that I memorize it, it's just habits that develop. "where the hell did that command go" and hunting for it for hours sucks.
[02:10]<msxjv>yeah
[02:11]<msxjv>same with CatOS
[02:11]<vd2r>I vastly prefer IOS.
[02:11]<msxjv>yeah, so do it
[02:11]<msxjv>*I
[02:11]<vd2r>I wish cisco had more of a consistent feel across platforms. every damn thing you log into is a different monster. annoying.
[02:12]<msxjv>Yeah, I get what you mean, I've been sort of bothered by it so much that I just put the thought into the theory more and use '?' a lot
[02:14]<msxjv>obviously, as you say, the core of IOS is basically the same sort of commands
[02:14]<msxjv>so you aren't screwed over too bad
[02:15]<msxjv>professionally though, if someone can say 'yeah I'm doing X, Y and Z to accomplish this' and they can't tell you the exact commands right off the top of their head, I sympathize
[02:15]<vd2r>you ever hit ? on a 6500 running in IOS mode? it's funny. like 8 pages of commands since it's msfc and sup smashed into one.
[02:16]<gndyvx>3550's are much like a 6500/4500
[02:16]<gndyvx>show run | i what you are looking for
[02:16]<gndyvx>show run | b router bgp
[02:16]<gndyvx>show run int gig3/24
[02:17]<gndyvx>native mode isn't that hard to navigate
[02:17]<vd2r>oh yeah it's fine. I like it.
[02:17]<vd2r>my point on that was the question mark gives you EVERYTHING.
[02:17]<msxjv>you have to assume differences when you get into larger more specialized hardware
[02:17]<msxjv>Juniper actually does a good job
[02:17]<msxjv>but look at the product line
[02:17]<vd2r>I forget if it was the 3500 or the 3550 that pissed me off more. one was real goofy about its flash filesystem or some other goofiness
[02:17]<msxjv>far less involved than Cisco
[02:18]<gndyvx>they do SP routing
[02:18]<gndyvx>that really it
[02:18]<msxjv>that's my point, as to why Cisco is so willy-nilly
[02:18]<gndyvx>?
[02:19]<msxjv>Cisco's product line is enormous, hence IOS is not as pristine.
[02:19]<msxjv>lots of placeholder shit that doesn't get torn out for releases at a time
[02:19]<msxjv>etc
[02:19]<vd2r>also the supported features includes some oddball things.
[02:19]<gndyvx>i don't find it that way at all
[02:20]<gndyvx>the configurations are backwards compatable
[02:20]<gndyvx>that is commendable
[02:21]<gndyvx>I have APs, Switches, Routers and I can use a standard interface to configure them
[02:21]<gndyvx>thats freaking awesome
[02:21]<gndyvx>the line between router and l3 switch has been blurred so much that they release a product with two names
[02:22]<gndyvx>the 6500 Switch and the 7600 Router,
[02:22]<vd2r>yeah I dig that about 4500s. it's fairly seamless.
[02:22]<gndyvx>heck JUNOSe is acutally an IOS clone
[02:23]<vd2r>yeah and their L2 competitor clones their OS as well. Foundry.
[02:24]<gndyvx>granted cisco didn't make IOS, they stole it from MIT or some school
[02:24]<vd2r>they bought their way into most of their stuff, same way microsoft did.
[02:25]<gndyvx>yeah, they had a popular router
[02:25]<gndyvx>they actually were the first to call them routers
[02:25]<gndyvx>before that they were Gateways
[02:26]<msxjv>they're interchangeable terms really
[02:27]<msxjv>hence default 'gateway', interior 'gateway' protocols, exterior 'gateway' protocols, etc

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