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[19:56]<sag>+w
[19:56]<sag>ah, much better.
[19:57]<dffnw>yea, I must know 8 ccnas, all of them do windows support and one unix guy
[19:57]<gndyvx>never mind
[19:57]<gndyvx>mplex: ccna is a good network gerneal test anyway
[19:57]<vcul>nemith, thanks for the link. in fbh's case, and from what i understand, he deosn't have much choice. until he migrates ofcourse
[19:57]<gndyvx>i took my jnica just so that I was aple to know the capabilities of a juniper network
[19:57]<gndyvx>I won't touch a juniper router
[19:58]<gndyvx>well they won't let me
[19:58]<gndyvx>:P
[19:58]<gndyvx>ah right
[19:58]<gndyvx>FBH^: well i gotta find a friend in engineering
[19:58]<vcul>i've actually decided to study for the ccna just so that I put pressure on myself and learn the material in detail
[19:58]<gndyvx>to add me to their tacacs server
[19:59]<msxjv>nemith, are you pursuing the Juniper certs further?
[19:59]<gndyvx>dshot: maybe
[19:59]<gndyvx>dshot: i think the IE is first
[19:59]<msxjv>yeah
[20:00]<msxjv>FBH^: could be anything really... most I've worked with are databases of a sort.. berkeley DB, etc
[20:03]<msxjv>I have an interview next week, maybe I'll like it so much that I can bizzy-bounce next week
[20:03]<msxjv>err, I mean wow I'm sick, let me take all my sick time that won't be cashed out to me in the form of a check
[20:04]<vcul>FBH^, look for the radius config file, it'll tell how users are authenticated
[20:04]<gndyvx>http://www.cisco.com/now/24/index.html <-- cheesy 24 product placement is back
[20:04]<msxjv>haha
[20:04]<vcul>depends on your radius software
[20:04]<msxjv>Jack Bauer uses Cisco, lets buy $1 billion in Cisco gear
[20:05]<gndyvx>i think cisco pays for the entire show
[20:05]<msxjv>probably see Cisco more in Hollywood like you usually see Apple devices
[20:05]<dffnw>anyone else think cisco is overpriced?
[20:06]<rgvajac>ha!
[20:06]<vcul>FBH^, could be i don't remember exactly. it wouldn't hurt to look inside the file
[20:06]<msxjv>mmm, actually I don't
[20:06]<dffnw>I cant remember what the list price on a 3750 24port gig switch is, but its getting rediculous
[20:06]<msxjv>of course, if I didn't ge solid reseller discounts, maybe
[20:06]<msxjv>*get
[20:07]<dzzc1lyvn>ds
[20:07]<dzzc1lyvn>dshot:
[20:07]<msxjv>sup
[20:07]<dzzc1lyvn>224.0.o.1
[20:07]<dffnw>still, compare to a dell etc, per port costs are extremely high
[20:07]<gndyvx>mplex: not really
[20:07]<gndyvx>mplex: 3750 is a kick ass switch
[20:07]<dzzc1lyvn>never knew tha tone..
[20:07]<gndyvx>compare features and backplane and get back to me
[20:07]<msxjv>why would you compare to Dell and HP, etc
[20:07]<dzzc1lyvn>brb
[20:08]<dzzc1lyvn>is that right dshot ?
[20:08]<msxjv>HP is fucking famous for saying shit like 96Gbps backplane, and delivering about 1
[20:08]<dffnw>it is a great switch and it has every feature I could ever need, Im just not sure its cost effective
[20:08]<dffnw>backplane is rarely my problem anyway
[20:08]<gndyvx>well a) don't get a 3750 if you don't plan on using stackwise
[20:08]<dffnw>its always interswitch links
[20:08]<gndyvx>mplex: or need a layer 3 switch
[20:09]<dffnw>true, but whats the alternative these days?
[20:09]<gndyvx>there are gig 2960 for Layer 2 and gig 3560's for L3
[20:09]<dffnw>I know they discontinued the 2970
[20:09]<dffnw>I hadnt seen the 2960s yet
[20:10]<msxjv>Ahh, Dark3Lite, what's the 'L2' address?
[20:10]<gndyvx>WS-C2960G-24TC-L Catalyst 2960 24 10/100/1000, 4 T/SFP LAN Base Image D $3,295
[20:10]<msxjv>MAC addr
[20:10]<gndyvx>thats list
[20:10]<msxjv>yeah, so subtract about 40% on a decent reseller
[20:10]<msxjv>or 35ish
[20:10]<gndyvx>depending on the reseller
[20:10]<msxjv>yep
[20:10]<dffnw>yea, thats not bad, I just wish they had some cheap stackable switches
[20:11]<gndyvx>40 is a good chunk (we get 40), CDW... expect 10% off
[20:11]<dffnw>it seems most people get 40
[20:11]<gndyvx>mplex: stackable in which way?
[20:11]<msxjv>yeah, I get 40ish from AT&T ( used to be SBC )
[20:11]<dffnw>we get 45 but thats educational
[20:11]<gndyvx>the 2960 is concidered a stackable switch
[20:12]<dffnw>Im thinking 3750 type stacking
[20:12]<msxjv>right, which is only available under the 37xx series
[20:13]<gndyvx>mplex: where they appear as one switch?
[20:13]<dffnw>yes
[20:13]<gndyvx>mplex: can dell or hp do that?
[20:13]<dffnw>nope
[20:13]<gndyvx>there is the added price right there
[20:14]<gndyvx>not to mention it is a layer 3 switch that is able to do MPLS VPN's
[20:14]<msxjv>yeah, a whole ton of functionality if you choose to pay for the license
[20:14]<msxjv>if you want to see expensive, go knock on Extreme's door
[20:14]<gndyvx>even with the base license you got intervlan routing
[20:14]<dffnw>all I know is that we are buying 48port gig POE 3750s for every closet and its a fortune
[20:14]<msxjv>POE is always extra
[20:15]<gndyvx>but, you pay for what you get
[20:15]<vd2r>you run voip all over the place or something?
[20:15]<dffnw>I dont do the purchasing but its far and away above the 2960 cost or the previous network
[20:15]<dffnw>true
[20:15]<[mzvzyw]>I want some more 2960G's.
[20:15]<dffnw>we are moving everything to voip over the next 5 years
[20:15]<vd2r>sounds like a sound investment if it's spread over 5 years.
[20:15]<msxjv>As network 'folk', you have to explain to the bean counters that a 2960 is not a 3750 POE-capable device
[20:16]<vd2r>supports what you need now and lots of future growth. seems like a good plan to me.
[20:16]<[mzvzyw]>I just hire someone to "take care" of the bean counters.
[20:16]<dffnw>well, thats easy, poe and stacking for management ease, but its still hard to look at the numbers
[20:16]<msxjv>bean counters will look at the low-end access layer devices and question the core purchases
[20:16]<msxjv>yeah, that works too [Matrix]
[20:17]<[mzvzyw]>heh, from an old issue of Packet: gremicgw1 uptime is 7 years, 17 weeks, 3
[20:17]<[mzvzyw]>days, 6 hours, 58 minutes

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