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Log from #cisco at freenode 2006-05-18
[18:37]<gndyvx>do ip accounting
[18:37]<gndyvx>it would tell you port numbers
[18:37]<fjzvxnz>heh, i found a 3640, pix 515, 3550, hp 4000M, 2924XL sitting in our racks doing nothing
[18:38]<fjzvxnz>i'll probably de-rack them today and put them in storage
[18:38]<vz2ufzzzsz>sounds like my old core network
[18:38]<vz2ufzzzsz>LOL
[18:38]<vd2r>I found an ONS doing nothing. :P
[18:38]<vd2r>15454.
[18:40]<vd2r>no logins and I didn't have IPs to the thing and I couldn't tell right off the bat how to console to the thing. I discovered it was doing nothing the easy way. by unplugging it.
[18:41]<fjzvxnz>haha, i've pulled that before
[18:41]<[mzvzyw]>yeah, my core network is a joke.
[18:42]<[mzvzyw]>I just kinda look at it as a real-life lab though. lol
[18:42]<vz2ufzzzsz>thats how i dealt with it.. :)
[18:42]<vz2ufzzzsz>wanna go golfing after work?
[18:42]<gndyvx>well it's turne doff
[18:42]<[mzvzyw]>hmm, where to tab?
[18:42]<vz2ufzzzsz>dunno, never been in this town
[18:43]<[mzvzyw]>we can just go to the driving range
[18:43]<vz2ufzzzsz>ZZZZzzzz
[18:43]<[mzvzyw]>lol
[18:43]<fjzvxnz>all this stuff is on, eating precious power cycles
[18:43]<fjzvxnz>and rackspace
[18:43]<[mzvzyw]>I haven't hit a golf ball in years
[18:43]<fjzvxnz>the more shit i can yank from racks now, the better
[18:43]<[mzvzyw]>need range practice. :)
[18:43]<vz2ufzzzsz>ok, maybe next time
[18:43]<dzzc1lyvn>nemith
[18:43]<dzzc1lyvn>any photos of the rack?
[18:43]<gndyvx>i'll take photos
[18:43]<gndyvx>it's freaking ugly
[18:44]<[mzvzyw]>there's a little par3 course at that range by broad river
[18:44]<dzzc1lyvn>hmm
[18:44]<dzzc1lyvn>why do you have some of your ports on auto..
[18:44]<[mzvzyw]>Every time a port autonegotiates speed and duplex, a fairy dies.
[18:44]<gndyvx>auto negotiation is gods best gift
[18:45]<gndyvx>i have not had a problem with auto neg in that past 5 years
[18:45]<dzzc1lyvn>nope
[18:45]<dzzc1lyvn>I disagree :p
[18:45]<vcul>loather, are you putting that 515 up for sale? :-)
[18:45]<[mzvzyw]>Cisco + autoneg = where errors come from
[18:45]<vz2ufzzzsz>no joke
[18:45]<[mzvzyw]>at least on my old crappy equipment
[18:45]<vz2ufzzzsz>neoware + 2924 = hell
[18:45]<dzzc1lyvn>first exactly [Matrix]
[18:45]<fjzvxnz>tkup: it's one of the monster 515s. If IBM doesn't want it, i'll sell it, and let you know.
[18:45]<gndyvx>well 5500's sure
[18:46]<vz2ufzzzsz>yep... lol
[18:46]<gndyvx>hard coding with stupid server admins
[18:46]<vcul>loather, monster? i'm not really familiar with pixes
[18:46]<gndyvx>there is errors for ya
[18:46]<[mzvzyw]>5500's, 3500's, 3550's, 2924's, 2960's...
[18:46]<[mzvzyw]>all have errors with certain devices
[18:46]<gndyvx>hmm
[18:46]<fjzvxnz>tkup: it's either 3U or 4U and HEAVY -- takes full-size PCI boards.
[18:46]<gndyvx>well fix the one or two devices you have issues with
[18:46]<vd2r>nemith: it definitely occasionally causes issues.
[18:46]<gndyvx>plug everthing in and do this
[18:46]<fjzvxnz>i haven't had problems with autoneg lately
[18:47]<gndyvx>show int status | i a-half
[18:47]<[mzvzyw]>I mean, I just look for errors, and hard code if I have problems
[18:47]<gndyvx>problem solved
[18:47]<fjzvxnz>the only time i did was between some sun equipment and a 3com switch
[18:47]<[mzvzyw]>I don't hard code everything to 100 full.. that'd be tedious
[18:47]<gndyvx>sure sure, we had issues with old IBM servers... thats the ones you see with the hard coded information on that xls
[18:47]<vz2ufzzzsz>plus if you put a jetdirect on, it wont work
[18:48]<fjzvxnz>the only time i ever hard-code something is when I have trouble with something flapping or just not negotiating right
[18:48]<rfv>I had a piece of gear that wouldn't work even if I hard coded the port
[18:48]<fjzvxnz>or between two pieces of network gear
[18:48]<vd2r>we use auto most places, but some stuff I have to hard code to fix issues.
[18:48]<fjzvxnz>but from networking gear to hosts, i almost always do auto
[18:48]<gndyvx>the best fix, use gigabit
[18:49]<gndyvx>gigabit doesn't have the ability to do half duplex
[18:49]<gndyvx>fixes most issues
[18:49]<mzfnj>A Class C network address has been subnetted into eight subnetworks.. is a 26 mask enough?
[18:49]<[mzvzyw]>and is auto MDI/X
[18:49]<dzzc1lyvn>well true
[18:49]<dzzc1lyvn>so nemith
[18:49]<dzzc1lyvn>the answer would be A
[18:49]<dzzc1lyvn>to remove..
[18:49]<[mzvzyw]>that'd be a /27
[18:49]<gndyvx>ah.. be mindful of subnet-zero
[18:50]<mzfnj>if i use subnet-zero isnt a 26 mask enough?
[18:50]<vd2r>I'm confused about subnet zero. why is it to be avoided?
[18:50]<mzfnj>or 27?
[18:50]<[mzvzyw]>27 with subnet zero, 28 without?
[18:51]<dzzc1lyvn>so I remove and then I should add
[18:51]<gndyvx>it doesn't matter
[18:51]<fjzvxnz>nemith: what about gigastack? it's gigabit half, i thought
[18:52]<gndyvx>the answer was the remove one...
[18:52]<gndyvx>er except
[18:52]<[mzvzyw]>24 = class C, 25 = 1/2 class C, 26 = 1/4 class C, 27 = 1/8 class C
[18:52]<gndyvx>loather: hardy har har.. got me
[18:52]<[mzvzyw]>in very rough terms
[18:52]<sag>tmbg: i think in an old rfc it was mentioned as bad practice.
[18:52]<sag>pre cidr -times
[18:53]<[mzvzyw]>pfft, I like my subnet-zero
[18:53]<gndyvx>so is using one sized subnet for your entire networks
[18:53]<gndyvx>i use the hell out of subnet zero
[18:53]<vd2r>I don't but it's because we still have tons of room on my networks.
[18:54]<dzzc1lyvn>or I can use both nemith







