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[04:10]<srd-i-rd>yeah i secure stuff
[04:10]<srd-i-rd>its also https only
[04:12]<srd-i-rd>mmm yeah
[04:12]<srd-i-rd>dont run it as root k
[04:12]<srd-i-rd>it runs as the nagios user
[04:12]<rrgr>hola
[04:12]<rrgr>alguien tiene info sobre cisco ccna en español????????????????????
[04:13]<srd-i-rd>well, you have to restart for lots of things
[04:15]<srd-i-rd>technically
[04:15]<srd-i-rd>its finicky
[04:15]<srd-i-rd>stop and start
[04:15]<srd-i-rd>make sure you wait for the children to croak
[04:16]<rrgr>HEY
[04:16]<rrgr>SOMEONE HAVE BOOKS OF CCNA IN SPANISH????????????????????????????
[04:16]<srd-i-rd>nope
[04:19]<srd-i-rd>every hour until someone fixes it
[04:20]<srd-i-rd>or acks the problem
[04:20]<srd-i-rd>for important stuff
[04:20]<srd-i-rd>unimportant shit is page-once
[04:20]<srd-i-rd>scott should ack it if he's not going to fix it
[04:21]<srd-i-rd>just a heads up, brennan hates nagios and will tend to find reasons to make it look like it doesnt work right
[04:21]<srd-i-rd>even though it works fine
[04:21]<srd-i-rd>he's just bitter
[04:24]<srd-i-rd>heh
[04:25]<srd-i-rd>heh
[04:26]<srd-i-rd>nice
[04:26]<srd-i-rd>whats amusing is when network things die, you're expected to get your ass in there and fix them
[04:27]<sazdn>so fix it
[04:27]<srd-i-rd>but other people dont seem to follow those guidelines
[04:27]<srd-i-rd>heh
[04:27]<srd-i-rd>surprised yyou dont have those yet
[04:28]<srd-i-rd>well, you can get into the server room
[04:28]<srd-i-rd>but getting into the rest of campus requires a procedure
[04:28]<srd-i-rd>haha
[04:28]<srd-i-rd>have fun
[04:36]<rrgr>EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[04:36]<rrgr>NADIE TIENE INFO EN ESPAÑOL????????????????????????????????????????????
[04:40]<srd-i-rd>haha
[04:40]<sazdn>el taco del mar
[04:45]<afsc>heh
[04:45]<afsc>that was amusing
[04:48]<srd-i-rd>yup
[05:05]<msxjv>heh, this is why I don't read ./ ... every fucking article is practically like this one:
[05:05]<msxjv>http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/05/25/1850205.shtml
[05:06]<msxjv>pure retardation
[05:07]<sag>but still, you do?
[05:07]<sag>and everybody knows better than to read the comments on slashdot
[05:09]<sag>you loose, anyhow. either time, or sanity if you are provoked to answer.
[05:09]<msxjv>yeah, referring to an earlier discussion of tech news
[05:10]<msxjv>which prompted me to visit ./ and immediately I find a network-related article that has almost no meaning, can't even get the simplest of terms correct or establish relevance and the sub-editing that allowed it is probably an even worse issue.
[05:10]<msxjv>but you're right in every sense
[05:11]<msxjv>definitely
[05:13]<msxjv>lol, I see I missed some cool Spanish
[05:13]<dzzc1lyvn>look at this dshot
[05:13]<dzzc1lyvn>http://www.techworld.com/networking/features/index.cfm?featureid=2540
[05:14]<msxjv>Yeah, I've seen these arguments
[05:14]<msxjv>I don't buy it
[05:14]<msxjv>the cost of gig is cheap and the lifetime of a switch is long
[05:14]<msxjv>so what if applications need to catch up
[05:15]<msxjv>Tell my asswipe dev friends to get with the program
[05:16]<msxjv>somehow the network is over-engineered but software in general isn't?
[05:17]<dzzc1lyvn>that is crazy
[05:17]<dzzc1lyvn>http://news.com.com/University+server+in+hackers+hands+for+a+year/2100-7349_3-6074739.html?tag=nefd.top
[05:17]<msxjv>I can see end-user things like for instance SLI/Crossfire for video cards
[05:17]<msxjv>I can see people saying 'hold off a bit.. maybe invest in a mobo that can support it.. but hold off on 2 x video cards'
[05:17]<msxjv>Gigabit ethernet, I just don't see it being some huge over-dramatic cost inefficiency
[05:18]<msxjv>Hell, to be honest, I almost think buying 10/100 switches is more inefficient
[05:18]<msxjv>even though I have a ton of 2950s, etc
[05:20]<msxjv>Also I see it as a case-by-case ordeal
[05:21]<msxjv>if you're working at Company_A and they have 50 users that just do basic stuff.. 10/100 makes perfect sense.. Company_X you have 2000 users that use the network different, maybe it makes perfect sense to invest in 10/100/1000.. but I know one thing, I'm not generally concerned with people using the network less.
[05:22]<msxjv>I'm concerned with them using it more and in different ways. 10/100 puts more worry on me than 10/100/1000 would.
[05:23]<msxjv>I'll probably check back in and see everyone grilling what I've said lol =P
[05:23]<dzzc1lyvn>to be quite honest..
[05:23]<dzzc1lyvn>10/100/1000 would be the next generation
[05:24]<dzzc1lyvn>but as you said for small offices 10/100 would be ideal..
[05:24]<msxjv>Well, I'm sure the economist will sit down and determine what the opportunity cost is and all sorts of things that make financial sense.
[05:25]<dzzc1lyvn>I just don't understand..
[05:25]<msxjv>I definitely don't feel like investing in 10/100/1000 is something that I'd regret 4 years from now
[05:25]<dzzc1lyvn>how a server can be compromise for almost 1 year
[05:25]<msxjv>I don't feel that it's some unproven 'hot' technology
[05:25]<dzzc1lyvn>and the admin does not notice..
[05:25]<msxjv>working at the place I do now, I can comprehend it
[05:25]<msxjv>people do jack shit and know jack shit
[05:25]<msxjv>hard to notice when everything is working normal and you read a newspaper all day in your cube
[05:26]<msxjv>( no joke btw, a ton of people do that )
[05:27]<dzzc1lyvn>ohh o.k
[05:27]<msxjv>another nicety of the datacenter/core/whatever hardware is that a lot of it can trickle down to the access layer over time
[05:27]<msxjv>as it gets replaced
[05:27]<msxjv>3560s aren't sufficient for my datacenter anymore, I bet they kick a lot of ass at the access layer
[05:28]<msxjv>etc
[05:29]<dzzc1lyvn>you need 3750..s
[05:29]<dzzc1lyvn>you work at a datacentre..
[05:29]<dzzc1lyvn>?
[05:29]<msxjv>We have a datacenter, but no currently I don't work at a datacenter.
[05:30]<msxjv>I'm saying, at the core of our network when that gear ages a lot of it can naturally move to the access layer
[05:30]<dzzc1lyvn>well turue..
[05:31]<msxjv>I just don't see this as being an issue, what this analyst is saying.

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