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[05:32]<msxjv>I don't really see everyone rushing to get gigabit to the desktop
[05:32]<msxjv>I think some people are on the cusp so-to-speak too, in terms of they could see real benefits in productivity from gigabit versus faste
[05:33]<afsc>can a computer even process 10megs/second of incoming traffic?
[05:33]<msxjv>surely
[05:33]<afsc>a desktop computer that is
[05:33]<msxjv>everything is hardware dependent, also the traffic
[05:33]<afsc>I wouldn't think so
[05:34]<msxjv>Why don't you think so? Have you ever built a router out of PC hardware?
[05:35]<afsc>I haven't. But I'm talking about a regular desktop computer.
[05:35]<afsc>pc
[05:35]<msxjv>Many pieces of existing 'commercial' hardware is just PC hardware.
[05:35]<msxjv>regular desktops I guess is a funny term that would have to be defined
[05:35]<afsc>well pretty much what I'm trying to explain is a regular user scenario
[05:37]<afsc>where you have alot more than just network services running
[05:37]<sazdn>a PIX is just a PC
[05:37]<msxjv>I can push plenty of data on my shitty PC hardware at work, at home, etc.. all pretty various in terms of 'regular'
[05:38]<msxjv>no sweat at all
[05:38]<sazdn>your average gig-e enalbed computer can do about 400mbps on gig-e
[05:38]<sazdn>assumptions:
[05:38]<sazdn>non-jumbo packets, rj45 connectors
[05:38]<sazdn>PCI bus
[05:39]<sazdn>jumbo packets + ribre + pci-x 133 == gigabits
[05:39]<msxjv>heh, I could push 350Mb+ with hardware from 2000 using OpenBSD
[05:40]<msxjv>decent NICs of course
[05:40]<msxjv>shouldn't even say 2k actually
[05:40]<sazdn>openbsd doesnt exactly have the fastest stack either
[05:41]<sazdn>an end user that would benefit from gig e (besides the latency) is someone who is opening 100mb+ files
[05:41]<sazdn>and usually when you are doing that, you have a processor intensive operation going on
[05:41]<msxjv>yeah, and like I said it depends on the traffic
[05:41]<msxjv>you hit a pps limit
[05:41]<msxjv>with a general stack
[05:41]<sazdn>gig-e wire is 1.4mpps
[05:42]<sag>dshot: you said the 3560 was insufficient .. in which ways?
[05:43]<msxjv>heh, go back and read what I really said
[05:43]<msxjv>it was more of a continuation of thought
[05:43]<msxjv>implied 'if' there
[05:44]<msxjv>exemplifying the aging out of hardware at various layers, trickling down, thus protecting investment
[05:44]<sag>not very clear, but yes. the trickling bit i know of. sorry :-|
[05:45]<msxjv>no problem, it was just me being lazy and not writing out a complete thought
[05:45]<msxjv>no inflection
[05:45]<msxjv>that's the problem with text =P
[05:45]<sag>we ran a bit of traffic through a few 3650s a while ago, and they seem excellent.
[05:45]<sag>even for heavy-duty use.
[05:46]<sag>so, i was just wondering :)
[05:46]<msxjv>oh, yeah I love my 3560s
[05:46]<msxjv>solid
[05:46]<sazdn>burnaby inthe house
[05:47]<msxjv>that seems like one of those mindhacks
[05:47]<msxjv>'burning baby in the house'
[05:47]<msxjv>or something
[05:47]<sazdn>na
[05:47]<msxjv>messed with my head
[05:48]<sazdn>burnaby is a suburb of vancouver
[05:52]<rfv>hi Scrye
[05:54]<[mzvzyw]>damn.. dropped my laptop in the datacenter earlier. ;;
[06:08]<sazdn>my ibook decided to pack it in
[06:08]<sazdn>stupid thing is only 2.5 years old
[06:12]<srd-i-rd>ouch
[06:13]<sazdn>first the hd died, i replaced that, then the motherboard went
[06:13]<srd-i-rd>double ouch
[06:14]<dzzc1lyvn>have a good night all
[06:14]<dzzc1lyvn>going to bed..
[06:29]<sazdn>oh no
[06:29]<sazdn>only up 3-1
[06:29]<sazdn>RIOT
[06:29]<sazdn>burn the place down!
[06:39]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>sorry, i had to :)
[06:40]<mrxmjum>it's tough to work for game copanies.. they need network programmers :/
[06:40]<mrxmjum>s/copanies/companies/
[06:40]<mrxmjum>people who design protocols..
[06:40]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>working for a game company ain't all it's cracked up to be
[06:41]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>i used to work for midway
[06:41]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>i absolutely (in namesake fashion) loathed it
[06:42]<mrxmjum>games are improving so quickly.. i'm sure thier staff are always thinking to adapt new technologies
[06:43]<mrxmjum>ps1, 2 then 3
[06:43]<mrxmjum>loather-work, what was your job about in midway?
[06:44]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>product development and testing
[06:44]<mrxmjum>programer?! amazing!
[06:44]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>i started out doing testing and applied to the first devel position they had
[06:45]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>the testing job was like a junior high school classroom when the teacher leaves
[06:45]<mrxmjum>I see
[06:45]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>people were throwing paper aircraft, taping coffee filters to each others' heads
[06:45]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>balls of paper flew constantly throughout that room
[06:45]<mrxmjum>so you hadn't much to do as a software tester?
[06:45]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>no, we had plenty to do
[06:45]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>my coworkers were just complete idiots
[06:45]<mrxmjum>heh
[06:46]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>so i got the programming job
[06:46]<mrxmjum>I think midway sucks.. thier games are so bad these days.. they shined in old days with mortal combat
[06:46]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>and i soon found that the programmers weren't much different from the testers
[06:46]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>the office stunk of BO
[06:46]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>no, this was like going into the gymnasium after football
[06:47]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>it seriously had that sickly smell outside the programming department
[06:47]<mrxmjum>heh
[06:47]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>when you opened the door it a assaulted you, as if you walked into the bathroom right after someone took a fresh shit
[06:47]<mrxmjum>loather-work good that you resigned =D
[06:48]<mrxmjum>FBH^, are you at home now?
[06:48]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>i tolerated it for three months, then got fed up and stopped showing up to work
[06:48]<mrxmjum>in/at not sure :S

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