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[06:30]<ajfmysj>CutieCoder did you mean 15800s ?
[06:30]<ajfmysj>if so we run the 15454's wondering if you have any RPR's in your Rings ?
[06:31]<wr2ggyw>looks like we have one
[06:31]<ajfmysj>sweet then goto http://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/products/sw/iosswrel/tsd_products_support_category_home.html
[06:31]<ajfmysj>and login and grab yourself some software
[06:32]<ajfmysj>http://www.cisco.com/kobayashi/sw-center/
[06:32]<wr2ggyw>loather: so 12.4T is the latest software for this router or the most stable or why do you recommend it?
[06:32]<ajfmysj>that may be faster =)
[06:32]<ajfmysj>habenix: I would not
[06:32]<ajfmysj>I would go with a 12.3 branch
[06:32]<ajfmysj>12.4 would be bleeding edge. 12.4T is like you just cut off your head
[06:33]<ajfmysj>You probably would not take advantage of anything in the 12.4T line
[06:33]<ajfmysj>12.4T will become 12.5
[06:33]<fjzvxnz>habenix: 12.4T is latest and greatest (but doesn't mean best)
[06:33]<[mzvzyw_]>It's just the most bloated.
[06:33]<ajfmysj>=) yeap
[06:33]<[mzvzyw_]>Yay for 10 minute boot times.
[06:33]<fjzvxnz>habenix: 12.3 is by far the most tested and tried now. Go with the latest 12.3.
[06:34]<ajfmysj>grab service provider
[06:34]<wr2ggyw>there was some ethernet framing issue once in ISO, which release was that?
[06:34]<wr2ggyw>bullsheit, not ethernet but ip framing
[06:36]<[mzvzyw_]>Damn, the security in Vista is annoying as hell.
[06:37]<[mzvzyw_]>Running an installer from a website involves no less than 3 confirmation boxes.
[06:37]<[mzvzyw_]>Yet, I bet you there will be just as many exploits and vulnerabilities.
[06:38]<[mzvzyw_]>So basically all we're accomplishing is pissing off the user.
[06:38]<fjzvxnz>[Matrix]: why even bother with it then?
[06:38]<[mzvzyw_]>Because I'm sure I'll end up supporting it.
[06:38]<[mzvzyw_]>I do sys admin as well as network admin.
[06:39]<[mzvzyw_]>And I'm a programmer. Woo.
[06:39]<wr2ggyw>Matrix_: Move as many users as you can to Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop and live an easy life!
[06:41]<wr2ggyw>That's what I will do. Every Company I get in touch with I will convince to migrate at least the machines that just run plain Office jobs. And looking at the TCO as well as at the feature set and usability, they will be happy to do so.
[06:42]<wr2ggyw>Windows is so dead! It reached a point where it is nothing but frustrating!
[06:43]<mrxmjum>windows is dead?
[06:43]<mrxmjum>explain
[06:44]<wr2ggyw>The MS guys are shuffeling their on grave for several years now and with Vista it is deep enough to get the whole company in there!
[06:44]<mrxmjum>yea unix should be used instead at least on plain office jobs as you said =)
[06:45]<mrxmjum>it's about money, if we can do the job on unix, no need to buy windows
[06:45]<mrxmjum>kde, or gnome can work as easy as windows on easy office tasks
[06:45]<mrxmjum>unless they are students who learn autocad or 3ds max or whaterver..
[06:46]<wr2ggyw>Exactly and now certainly the point is reached where you can do any Office task on GNU Linux and all that easier more secure and cheaper!
[06:46]<wr2ggyw>And administration is so much easier
[06:47]<mrxmjum>how the administration is much easier? most people we msized
[06:47]<mrxmjum>s/we/are/
[06:48]<wr2ggyw>I am not sure but I believe Autocad might have a Linux version. Maya does as well at least for the "Industrial Light and Magic" guys!
[06:48]<mrxmjum>habenix, yea, i prefer maya over max, max is only prefered when designing games. most companies changed from max to maya since maya is cheaper
[06:49]<wr2ggyw>a ya, pretty fucking simple? just in theory. In real live you run around clearing of viruses, spyware, ...
[06:49]<mrxmjum>yea..
[06:49]<mrxmjum>much less viruses on unix, no body gives a shit :P
[06:49]<wr2ggyw>with linux I don't even need a hard drive in the clients!
[06:49]<wr2ggyw>one source of problems less
[06:49]<mrxmjum>habenix, amazing.. forgot that part :)
[06:49]<wr2ggyw>and I save money of course!
[06:50]<mrxmjum>nah it's practical
[06:50]<wr2ggyw>it is the future
[06:50]<mrxmjum>you can run without a hardisk and be as fast as windows lol
[06:50]<mrxmjum>knopix :P
[06:50]<wr2ggyw>and now, I don't even need a new piece of hardware for every server I want to setup!
[06:50]<mrxmjum>you can run unix on floppy, but it will be tough to use
[06:51]<sazdn>a modern kernel wotn fit on a floppy
[06:51]<wr2ggyw>I can run several OSes on the same machine and therefore actually get to an efficient cpu usage!
[06:51]<mrxmjum>Scrye, yea..
[06:51]<wr2ggyw>netboot my friend!
[06:52]<mrxmjum>the only reason why we use windows is because most of assholes are using it, hence companies write most of their programs on windows since it's the most used OS
[06:52]<sazdn>pxeloader fits on a floppy heh
[06:52]<wr2ggyw>with linux I can administrate 1000 systems with the same investment of time than 100 windows machines!
[06:52]<wr2ggyw>pxeloader fits in the rom of my network card!
[06:52]<wr2ggyw>or is already there!
[06:53]<wr2ggyw>most of the time!
[06:53]<mrxmjum>habenix, say unix next time :P unix contains linux if you look at the histroy tree of this glorious family =)
[06:53]<wr2ggyw>no I wont!
[06:53]<wr2ggyw>UNIX sucks, long live GNU!
[06:53]<mrxmjum>I like what you say since it's what I say too, but sad since most people are not following us :(
[06:54]<mrxmjum>linux doesn't suck. I use freebsd and have driver support issues. linux has better software support, but sure more viruses :P
[06:54]<mrxmjum>how can you run half-life game server on freebsd?
[06:55]<mrxmjum>then unix fits best for you, but not for these who use this server
[06:56]<wr2ggyw>FBH: Linux is not perfect but I can do more things for less money than with any other OS including the proprietray stuff. Therefore it simply sucks the least! Ultimately any software sucks!
[06:56]<wr2ggyw>which unix are you refering to?
[06:56]<mrxmjum>habenix, I think freebsd wastes less memory than any linux that i have tried, but this all configurable, i'm talking about gentoo and redhat defaults
[06:57]<mrxmjum>habenix, he hs a ccna noob don't worry about him
[06:57]<wr2ggyw>Unices are very specialised and very sophisticated in their niches. Linux au contrair is versatile and that's its greatest benefit!
[06:57]<mrxmjum>welcome to my list
[06:57]<fjzvxnz>freebsd just doesn't have as vicious a disk cache.
[06:58]<mrxmjum>enough that you don't know basic cisco stuff :)
[06:58]<mrxmjum>yep
[06:58]<sazdn>children enough
[06:58]<fjzvxnz>i smell a pissing contest
[06:58]<cuvyncjmnz>coldiso: yeah, we run an rpr ring over the sonet ring
[06:59]<wr2ggyw>calm down guys
[06:59]<ajfmysj>CutieCoder cool - I am using couple of RPRs at DRPRIs for transporting some of the video to a remote location on the other side of the stae
[06:59]<wr2ggyw>I say, as long as it is OSS!
[06:59]<ajfmysj>state which Rev are you guys running ?
[06:59]<ajfmysj>you try out 6.0 yet ?
[07:00]<ajfmysj>CTC
[07:00]<ajfmysj>SONET software Cisco has
[07:00]<mrxmjum>FBH^, I do know some of the things that you don't know
[07:00]<ajfmysj>god - SFTU both of you
[07:01]<mrxmjum>FBH^, just wanted to show you how annoying you are when you pop in conversations and start to mention that I have no practical skills.
[07:01]<mrxmjum>well, you don't know some of the bascis, then shut up
[07:02]<mrxmjum>lol
[07:02]<mrxmjum>both of us are noobs :/

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