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[21:39]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>exactly
[21:39]<cuvyncjmnz>Same goes for Nortel
[21:39]<sazdn>screw cisco, go with huawei
[21:39]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>yeah see, i don't like nortel
[21:39]<nj22yn>but they boast 590Gbps siwtching on 5400 ProCurve.
[21:39]<cuvyncjmnz>Now foundry and extreme, that's a different ballpark ;)
[21:39]<gndyvx>misa website... misa website is down
[21:39]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>Nobbie: expect about half that
[21:39]<nj22yn>hauwei only make routers don't they ?
[21:40]<msxjv>They aren't super nice to configure either, and I'm pretty used to IOS/CatOS/JunOS
[21:40]<sazdn>no they got a knockoff 3560 too
[21:40]<vz2ufzzzsz>nemith: yeah, i noticed that this morning
[21:40]<nj22yn>loather: Cisco 4500 says 32Gbps
[21:40]<cuvyncjmnz>Nobbie: they boat a lot of shit anywhere ;)
[21:40]<fjzvxnz-wjzc>32? or 320?
[21:40]<gndyvx>i don't care for foundries
[21:40]<nj22yn>32Gbps, with Sup II afaik
[21:40]<msxjv>heh, if I recall the 28xx's they claimed 96Gb on the backplane
[21:40]<sazdn>youd think huawei would try to make thier clones at least look different
[21:40]<msxjv>which is a bold face fucking lie
[21:40]<cuvyncjmnz>nemith: bad experience?
[21:40]<nj22yn>not sure what Sup IV and V can do
[21:40]<gndyvx>but they are up there
[21:41]<gndyvx>CutieCoder: i've drank alot of cisco koolaid over the years
[21:41]<gndyvx>all in all they aren't too bad
[21:41]<cuvyncjmnz>nemith: I've got my cisco bibles ;)
[21:41]<sazdn>huawei even makes a cloned 6500
[21:41]<cuvyncjmnz>actually, I own every ciscopress book ever made :P
[21:41]<j->is there a situation where ike must run on tcp and not udp?
[21:42]<nj22yn>CutieCoder: ois that in .pdf format ?
[21:42]<gndyvx>Scrye: so does extreme
[21:42]<msxjv>hmm, always used UDP myself
[21:42]<msxjv>*shrug*
[21:42]<gndyvx>and it performs near as well
[21:42]<j->dshot well i heared of problems with ike/udp and some nats
[21:42]<nj22yn>dshot: yeah, HP{ claim the 2800 does 96Gbps
[21:42]<nj22yn>mmmm, how to test ..
[21:43]<gndyvx>and cisco says they do 720Gbps
[21:43]<msxjv>Nobbie: I have some waterfront property for you in New Mexico too
[21:43]<gndyvx>but it's really 480
[21:43]<nj22yn>nemith: with Sup720
[21:43]<msxjv>I'd shit a sailboat if the 28xx's did 13Gb
[21:43]<vz2ufzzzsz>hahaha
[21:43]<[mzvzyw]>lmao
[21:43]<dffnw>we have yet to hit 10Gbps
[21:43]<gndyvx>i'd shit if they did 1G
[21:43]<bsdrgdjg>shit a sailboat? damn
[21:44]<[mzvzyw]>2851 caps at 112.64 Mbps
[21:44]<bsdrgdjg>i can only shit a canoe, or maybe a small fishing boat
[21:44]<mzgsxvz>if someone needs more then 100GB they can afford cisco ...
[21:44]<nj22yn>heheh
[21:44]<msxjv>4948 though, 96Gb, much more believable and I have yet to put a dent in those bastards with some pretty hefty loving
[21:44]<[mzvzyw]>My 5500's cap at 3.6Gbps! Woot! :-p
[21:44]<sazdn>hell if someone is doing > 1gbps and isnt pirating stuff, they can afford cisco
[21:45]<[mzvzyw]>And that's using all 3 buses!
[21:45]<gndyvx>heh
[21:45]<msxjv>well, some of the sticker shock is list pricing
[21:45]<msxjv>so I always have to ask
[21:45]<gndyvx>or better, they are an SP with a juniper backbone
[21:45]<cuvyncjmnz>Nobbie: hard cover
[21:45]<msxjv>because when you start looking at HP versus Cisco overall cost of ownership if you're doing super due dilligence, not really convinced HP even comes close
[21:46]<nj22yn>dshot: what adds on to HP TCO ?
[21:47]<sulnzo>any swedish guys around?
[21:47]<bsdrgdjg>super8: this isnt a gay sex channel.
[21:47]<nj22yn>dshot: i'm trying to find that article where HP had to buy new Cisco kit for a client, what keywords do you have for me ? do yo know where it happened ? client name ?
[21:47]<bsdrgdjg>as much as tabularasa wishes it was
[21:47]<gndyvx>BSDaemon: err...
[21:47]<msxjv>Lack of features, dependability record when moving towards a more featureful network, lack of massive buy-in career-wise, etc etc
[21:47]<vz2ufzzzsz>yeah, thats scary
[21:47]<sulnzo>hehe
[21:47]<sulnzo>ok
[21:48]<sulnzo>i need help with ccna
[21:48]<msxjv>HP is probably great for a place with just basic connectivity needs
[21:48]<bsdrgdjg>and only swedish males with large members can help you?
[21:48]<sulnzo>ye ;>
[21:48]<msxjv>Nobbie, I can't recall
[21:48]<vz2ufzzzsz>too much coffee this morning FB ?
[21:48]<bsdrgdjg>Well, I'm not swedish, but I can help :)
[21:48]<gndyvx>BSDaemon: maybe he is sweedish and would like some one to speak in his native lauguage
[21:49]<vz2ufzzzsz>i hope he knows that
[21:49]<bsdrgdjg>shut up nemith thats not nearly as fun.
[21:49]<vz2ufzzzsz>*hope*
[21:49]<mzgsxvz>TAK
[21:49]<gndyvx>BSDaemon: shut up canook
[21:49]<gndyvx>canuk
[21:49]<vz2ufzzzsz>ha!
[21:49]<bsdrgdjg>shut up yankee
[21:49]<bsdrgdjg>yeeeehawwwwwwwww
[21:49]<nj22yn>super8: www.boson.com
[21:49]<sxrmns>go cook some of your /canadian/ bacon.
[21:49]<sxrmns>;)
[21:49]<bsdrgdjg>sure.
[21:49]<vz2ufzzzsz>mmmmmmmm bacon
[21:49]<sulnzo>hehe
[21:49]<bsdrgdjg>atleast its not the crappy american kind
[21:50]<vz2ufzzzsz>:o
[21:50]<sxrmns>I don't eat bacon 8 P
[21:50]<gndyvx>you can get it in the store.. it's called HAM
[21:50]<vz2ufzzzsz>you did NOT mock our bacon!

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