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[19:53]<duv>..
[19:53]<duv>have pm2's for that..
[19:53]<byffyngdjjn>I dont understand too ...
[19:53]<sazdn>linux kernel is not gnu
[19:53]<sazdn>gnu's kernel is HURD
[19:53]<gndyvx>mplex: i like either a 2511 or a 2600 with a NM-16a or a NM-32a :)
[19:54]<gndyvx>ah
[19:54]<gndyvx>nm
[19:54]<sazdn>i hate the GNU and everything it stands for
[19:54]<rufddr>troll
[19:54]<gndyvx>auliya: who are you?
[19:54]<rufddr>nobody!
[19:54]<byffyngdjjn>Scrye, what you use to compile stuff for linux ??
[19:55]<gndyvx>auliya: good answer :)
[19:55]<sazdn>intels compiler
[19:55]<sazdn>we have special intel cpus
[19:55]<vd2r>I guess that is confusing, the linux kernel is licensed under the gnu gpl but it isn't "gnu's kernel"
[19:55]<gndyvx>Scrye: they have a short bus (haha i kill myself)
[19:55]<sazdn>i dont get what you mean
[19:55]<sazdn>there are so many meanings there
[19:56]<vd2r>exactly. that was the point.
[19:56]<sazdn>short bus = special 4 wheeled vehicle?
[19:56]<sazdn>short as in they change thier god damned boards every month?
[19:56]<sazdn>short as in 32 bits?
[19:56]<sazdn>short as in bandwidth?
[19:56]<vd2r>their board revision stuff sucks ass.
[19:57]<sazdn>another company makes our boards
[19:57]<vd2r>100mhz bump in processors and you get new voltage requirements and more pins on the processor.
[19:57]<sazdn>and our cpus are off thier 'embedded parts list' which they guaruntee for 7 years
[19:58]<sazdn>believe me, id be using freebsd if it werent for a couple key features that linux is far ahead on
[19:59]<vd2r>such as?
[19:59]<sazdn>trade secrets dude
[19:59]<duv>making bubble gum
[20:00]<sazdn>and all of our kernel code is invested into the linux kernel
[20:00]<vd2r>how is linux's support of certain features trade secret?
[20:00]<sazdn>too hard to switch now
[20:00]<sazdn>because we wrote half of them
[20:00]<sazdn>anyway
[20:00]<sazdn>this is a cisco channel
[20:00]<sazdn>go cisco!
[20:01]<sdac2jd>Wahoooo Cisco Rocks (unless you need a NetCellerator)
[20:01]<vd2r>so you mean it's a customized kernel that you wrote, not that linux itself supports something better.
[20:01]<dzzc1lyvn>hey
[20:01]<dzzc1lyvn>I have a pdf which is 800 pages
[20:01]<sazdn>when we started linux was ahead in some key things
[20:01]<dzzc1lyvn>how can I split it up in like 200
[20:01]<sazdn>ie it had SMP
[20:02]<vz2ufzzzsz>short bus.... heh
[20:02]<sazdn>and it has a rather proprietary though open source bandwidth queing method that absolutly rocks
[20:02]<sazdn>(htb)
[20:02]<vd2r>yeah the *bsd smp code is fairly new and immature. dragonflybsd is very promising wrt smp though.
[20:03]<vd2r>openbsd's queing is pretty damn good.
[20:03]<sazdn>guy who wrote htb barely speaks english but man hes smart
[20:03]<sazdn>ive tried to talk to him
[20:03]<vd2r>in fact whenever dragonflybsd gets their shit together, it will probably scale better than linux smp.
[20:03]<sazdn>i doubt that
[20:03]<sazdn>ibm is pretty invested in linux
[20:03]<gndyvx>htb is just traffic shapping?
[20:04]<sazdn>nemith : yeah
[20:04]<sazdn>but its real good
[20:04]<dzzc1lyvn>ahh nevermie
[20:04]<dzzc1lyvn>nevermine..
[20:04]<sazdn>very precice
[20:04]<sazdn>precise
[20:04]<vd2r>Scrye: I don't doubt it at all.
[20:07]<gndyvx>why we are on the rant of linux... i hate /proc
[20:07]<gndyvx>you know why it's called /proc... cause it is filesystem access to PROCESSES
[20:08]<sazdn>yep
[20:08]<gndyvx>not everything in the kernel
[20:08]<sazdn>and guess what
[20:08]<sazdn>thats what /sysfs is now
[20:08]<gndyvx>yeah
[20:08]<sazdn>pwned
[20:08]<sazdn>sysfs is nice
[20:08]<sazdn>it tells you what physical slot a card is in and stuff
[20:08]<gndyvx>sysctl
[20:08]<sazdn>great for hotswap
[20:08]<vz2ufzzzsz>winfs ftw!!
[20:08]<vz2ufzzzsz>:)
[20:08]<vz2ufzzzsz>haha
[20:08]<gndyvx>tabularasa: completely different subject
[20:09]<byffyngdjjn>Scrye, udev?
[20:09]<vz2ufzzzsz>im just joking around
[20:09]<gndyvx>but.. winfs _was_ actually intriguing
[20:09]<sazdn>wtf
[20:09]<gndyvx>and there is still nothing like it (and won't be for some time)
[20:09]<sazdn>any linux kernel hackers around?
[20:09]<vd2r>scrye: seriously if you're interested in smp, look into dragonfly.
[20:09]<vz2ufzzzsz>on subject though, im trying to get our ccsp on here to chat
[20:09]<gndyvx>tabularasa: great.. another security guy
[20:10]<vz2ufzzzsz>he has some questions about the lab and such, and can generally be a positive contribution to the site
[20:10]<vz2ufzzzsz>er, channel
[20:10]<vz2ufzzzsz>there are lots of ccsps on here?
[20:10]<gndyvx>network guys make things happen
[20:10]<gndyvx>security guys just shut things off
[20:10]<vz2ufzzzsz>lol
[20:10]<vz2ufzzzsz>there is a good bit of R+S on ccie security
[20:11]<gndyvx>there isn't much security on the R&S ccie
[20:11]<gndyvx>speaking of

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