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[04:04]<vynvyvq>Kog: i still love you
[04:04]<cfudsd>but much of the population didn't realise what they were getting into, and hate hwo their culture has been attacked, how they can't sing traditional persian songs anymore, can't give their kids persian names, have to be arab names etc
[04:04]<kjr>damieng: better get under that desk...
[04:04]<drdyrrr>well apparently she's cute.
[04:04]<vynvyvq>Kog: when do you find out when you get the intel job?
[04:04]<kjr>hooooooover
[04:05]<kjr>damieng: damn, can she fly out here?
[04:05]<drdyrrr>i'll give you my opinion of her tomorrow.
[04:05]<kjr>damieng: don't let her distract you though...
[04:05]<kjr>tieTYT2: fuckin... never
[04:05]<kjr>tieTYT2: I've got a guy in Philly who wants to hire me though
[04:05]<vynvyvq>Kog: heh
[04:05]<rxrcr>klumsy, also I seriously doubt the bush administration would commit that kind of political suicide by invading yet another country
[04:05]<drdyrrr>it's going to be interesting because a. i don't have a proper job and b. i don't bank there :D
[04:05]<kjr>chaka: political? in order for us to muster the troops, we'd have to draft
[04:05]<cfudsd>well also they know that invading iran would take on much more casualities than iraq
[04:05]<kjr>in order for us to draft we'd need a constitutional amendment
[04:06]<kjr>klumsy: not necessarily
[04:06]<drdyrrr>byeee
[04:06]<kjr>klumsy: go back to the iran iraq war
[04:06]<cfudsd>iran's military has been far boosted since those days though
[04:06]<vynvyvq>probably with iraqi nukes
[04:06]<cfudsd>and iran iraq war produced alot of casualties (moreso on the iranian side)
[04:06]<kjr>klumsy: we've got a hell of an arsenal
[04:07]<vynvyvq>gotta go
[04:07]<kjr>seeya tieTYT2
[04:07]<cfudsd>sure, we'd have to fight it in a way that would produce alot of casualities (on their side)
[04:07]<vynvyvq>see ya
[04:07]<kjr>klumsy: I guarantee you we could lay waste to their entire country
[04:07]<kjr>klumsy: it's the surgical part we're poor at
[04:07]<cfudsd>something that would rile up irans secret allies, and possibly escalate
[04:08]<kjr>klumsy: funnily enough (in a sad way) the Shah's daughter had a TV show for a while
[04:08]<kjr>klumsy: where she went to Nashville to become a country singer
[04:08]<cfudsd>thats funny
[04:08]<kjr>klumsy: no one knew who the Shah had been...
[04:09]<cfudsd>iran is very similar to soem communist regimes, it started with a popular rising, but in the end the majorit yof people saw through the holes, didn't believe in it, but played along, said the right htings, in order to survive
[04:10]<kjr>klumsy: I'm not sure about that
[04:10]<cfudsd>(of coure the religion part kind of changes that slightly)
[04:11]<mzvzzznz>hmm comunism and uranium dont mix
[04:11]<cfudsd>but persians say themselves as muslims for many many hundreds of years, but with a persian twist
[04:11]<mzvzzznz>comunism+uranium=chernobil
[04:14]<cfudsd>i think the communism in that equation is not really part of it, other than they didn't have the same safety ethic
[04:16]<cfudsd>all people are created equal, but ideas are not, communism has some good ideals and ideas, yet they are coupled with a wrong belief about the nature of man, that he is naturally good, if you manipulat the enviroment correctly, and the fruit of communism has produced more death and killing than all other the measurable wars in recorded history
[04:16]<cfudsd>i doubt karl marx could have imagined what a few ideas could do,
[04:17]<kjr>don't blame that on communism
[04:17]<nvzzfzsv>yeah, karl's optimizm reminds me of my wife.
[04:17]<kjr>blame that on Stalin
[04:17]<cfudsd>true, but not only stalin
[04:17]<kjr>Would a sick bastard by any other name kill quite so many people?
[04:17]<cfudsd>but still it was the natural outworking of that worldview
[04:18]<kjr>ideals are a hell of a disguise ;)
[04:18]<kjr>klumsy: you're going to tell me cuba is responsible for vicious slaughter?
[04:19]<cfudsd>nope, and of course its not always interpretted in the same way, and the different countries did not take the same worldview
[04:19]<kjr>klumsy: out of curiosity - what nationality are you?
[04:20]<cfudsd>but look at china, vietnam, laos, cambodia etc
[04:20]<cfudsd>i'm kiwi
[04:20]<kjr>what about vietnam? they were busy defending themselves
[04:20]<kjr>as for the Khmer Ruge... yeah, that wasn't so great
[04:20]<kjr>but in all fairness, a lot of the soldiers didn't know what was going on
[04:21]<cfudsd>that part was fine (them defending themselves), but the ceremonous slaughther during and after of people who had a different worldview than them
[04:21]<kjr>klumsy: what, you mean after the south vietnamese sponsored the slaughter of 4 million people?
[04:21]<cfudsd>i think US was wrong in vietnam
[04:21]<cfudsd>yep they weren't good either, US has a habit of supporting a bad regime that is in its own geopolitical interests
[04:22]<kjr>so does just about any other country
[04:22]<cfudsd>but even after US was out of the picture, there has been untold slaughter
[04:22]<cfudsd>(thats true about all countries)
[04:22]<kjr>klumsy: even before the US got there there was untold slaughter
[04:22]<kjr>except, that untold slaughter was really untold
[04:22]<kjr>and what do you think would have happened if the VC had lost?
[04:22]<cfudsd>yep, and since its been untold as well, because its not a sexy subject, or of interest to the world, as with alot of slaughter going on around the globe today
[04:23]<kjr>do you know what the GI would have done?
[04:23]<kjr>jesus, do you know what we did there without winning?
[04:23]<cfudsd>what would have they done?
[04:23]<kjr>klumsy: slaughtered quite a few people
[04:23]<mzvzzznz>comunism are ideas which ppl with nothing think they are great but once you have something you come to realice its not such a good idea
[04:23]<kjr>klumsy: we already had burned a few villages... napalmed entire regions
[04:23]<kjr>klumsy: when we freed the POWs, we would have certainly taken revenge
[04:23]<mzvzzznz>i was born in a comunist country and I know what comunism is
[04:24]<kjr>we would have taken revenge against the missle emplacement operators
[04:24]<mzvzzznz>and it just does not work
[04:24]<kjr>we would have taken revenge against the tunnel diggers
[04:24]<mzvzzznz>proven by history in many different countries and cultures
[04:24]<mzvzzznz>only still standing by dictators
[04:24]<kjr>davanger: you tell me when communism actually happens, and I'll take a look at if it's working
[04:24]<cfudsd>yep, hopefully there would have been a bit of restraint, but quite possibly not
[04:24]<kjr>klumsy: are you kidding me?
[04:24]<kjr>take a look at what we'd already done
[04:25]<kjr>go take a picture of the Iron Triangle
[04:25]<kjr>klumsy: but take a look at Vietnam today
[04:25]<cfudsd>there will never be a palce where communism is working, becuse it would have people in it, and having people in it makes it not work
[04:26]<mzvzzznz>Kog: communism does not work. In what world or galaxy can all humans be equal?
[04:26]<cfudsd>yep, vietnam is quite interesting today, yet every week i get reports of people killed for their faith in vietnam still
[04:26]<mzvzzznz>we can have equal rights but not be equal
[04:26]<kjr>davanger: you can't say it doesn't work till you actually try it
[04:26]<mzvzzznz>what happened in russia?
[04:26]<kjr>haha, sure as shit not communism
[04:26]<mzvzzznz>they fucking invented it
[04:26]<kjr>no, they didn't
[04:26]<mzvzzznz>Marx wasnt russian?
[04:27]<cfudsd>what was tried was communism in many places, but it diverted from the ideal as soon as people entered the picture

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