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[04:41]<mzvzzznz>aparrantely you dont even realise how ignorent you are
[04:41]<mzvzzznz>communism is good!
[04:41]<kjr>davanger: you didn't read what I wrote did you
[04:42]<mzvzzznz>yes! lets all try it
[04:42]<kjr>davanger: you can't castigate another man for ignorance if you fail to read his opinion
[04:42]<mzvzzznz>lets go now and take from the rich and give to everyone who is not rich
[04:42]<kjr>you're once again deliberately misinterpreting my text
[04:42]<kjr>this is the sensationalism I was talking about earlier
[04:42]<kjr>it's called a strong-man argument
[04:42]<mzvzzznz>so now you where not defending comunism
[04:43]<kjr>davanger: I wasn't saying anything other than what happened in Russia wasn't communism
[04:43]<kjr>which, I'm sure if you'd calm down, you'd agree with
[04:45]<mzvzzznz>thats the thing what happened in Russia what exactly that, comunism. They started with their great ideas and theories and look what it turned out to. The same thing it turned out in all other countries where it has been tried.
[04:45]<kjr>I'm not arguing that
[04:46]<kjr>if you read the part where I said I'll give you an opinion of communism when I actually see it, you'd know that
[04:46]<kjr>what does that sentence imply
[04:46]<kjr>it implies the fact that I believe most attempts at communism to have failed, and degenerated into something else
[04:46]<mzvzzznz>and why do you think something "fails"?
[04:46]<ggmzr>what is communism
[04:46]<kjr>davanger: obviously the people involved
[04:47]<mzvzzznz>so its the ppl not the ideas that is wrong?
[04:47]<kjr>davanger: Stalin was going to kill people no matter what party he belonged to
[04:47]<kjr>davanger: the ideas may also be wrong, but that's not what you're asking
[04:47]<mzvzzznz>So you like the idea of taking from the rich and giving to someone who is not rich?
[04:47]<mzvzzznz>how about earning it like everyone else
[04:47]<kjr>davanger: I pay taxes, how about you?
[04:48]<kjr>davanger: my family has lost more resouces than you could ever hope to see because of communism
[04:48]<mzvzzznz>what do you think, im the one saying comunism is a piece of shit
[04:48]<kjr>davanger: if Russia hadn't had a revolution, I would own an entire country
[04:48]<mzvzzznz>hmm right
[04:48]<kjr>davanger: I have the deed to a significant portion of Kiev sitting in my living room back home
[04:48]<mzvzzznz>and if we where in feudal tims I would believe you too
[04:48]<kjr>davanger: do you know what Kiev is th e capital of?
[04:48]<-- dyrnnprd wrs puyv> i mean the other left <-")
[04:49]<kjr>my families coat of arms appears on the Greater Seal of the Czar
[04:49]<mzvzzznz>no idea Im not from eastern europe
[04:49]<kjr>as the Great Prince of Kiev
[04:49]<mzvzzznz>thats grat
[04:49]<mzvzzznz>great
[04:50]<kjr>davanger: whatever dude, do you think I'd be happy with it?
[04:50]<kjr>that's what was taken from me by communism, an entire country
[04:50]<mzvzzznz>i find it an insult to your own blood line that you think comunist ideals are great
[04:50]<kjr>davanger: you're an illiterate fool
[04:50]<kjr>at what point did I say communism was great
[04:50]<kjr>read my text before saying I assert things
[04:50]<mzvzzznz>you havent but you talk about it like if it had something positive
[04:51]<kjr>no
[04:51]<kjr>I merely know that communism isn't to blame for Stalin being a mass murderer
[04:51]<mzvzzznz>if i see it Ill tell you if is good or not
[04:51]<kjr>he was a mass murderer regardless of communism
[04:51]<mzvzzznz>shit I dont need to see it to know its crap
[04:51]<mzvzzznz>all i need to "see" is history
[04:51]<kjr>davanger: ok, you have a fixed opinion... I'm well aware
[04:51]<kjr>davanger: those that don't understand history are doomed to repeat it
[04:52]<kjr>davanger: to assume that a country is no longer communist means there's no more murder is rediculous
[04:52]<kjr>davanger: do you honestly mean to tell me that Russia got better?
[04:52]<kjr>you're missing my point because it isn't a simple yes or no answer
[04:52]<kjr>and you're so angry you want to see a yes or no
[04:52]<mzvzzznz>can you go to a supermarket and buy a piece of bread, toilet paper, soap and a tootch brush?
[04:52]<kjr>you aren't going to get one
[04:53]<mzvzzznz>yeah i think its gotten better
[04:53]<cfudsd>cog you are a cousin then?
[04:53]<cfudsd>where is the family line?
[04:53]<kjr>klumsy: of you? apparently
[04:53]<kjr>klumsy: dead
[04:53]<cfudsd>we lost our country in the french revolution
[04:53]<cfudsd>but other bourbons are still "in a role" in spain and luxembourg
[04:54]<kjr>klumsy: I'm sorry... you told me which country, but I lost it when my client quit
[04:54]<cfudsd>ok, i'm a kiwi
[04:54]<cfudsd>from New Zealand
[04:54]<kjr>davanger: no, it hasn't in Russia anyway...
[04:54]<kjr>klumsy: ah, gotcha
[04:54]<kjr>klumsy: I confess that I know very little about NZ
[04:54]<cfudsd>but i can trace my family tree back moe than 2000 years
[04:54]<kjr>klumsy: I can trace my family back to my grandparents... when their named changed at Ellis Island
[04:55]<cfudsd>so if you are fro mthe czars you'd be a cousin or sort , since all the european monarchys intermarried like crazy
[04:55]<kjr>klumsy: heh
[04:55]<kjr>klumsy: Vladimir Putin is a cousin of mine too... a few times removed of course
[04:56]<cfudsd>well in that sense, everybody is a cousin, if you go back far enough
[04:56]<kjr>heh
[04:56]<kjr>klumsy: of course, this is all speculation... but I have no reason to believe it isn't true
[04:56]<ggmzr>Bush is my daddy
[04:56]<kjr>klumsy: especially since I have a rather nice document, as well as a coat of arms
[04:56]<cfudsd>have you tried investigating more?
[04:56]<kjr>I suppose they could be stolen, but I've seen pictures of my mom with certain Counts who are known to be noble
[04:57]<kjr>klumsy: no... I try and read the document, but I don't speak that old of Russian
[04:57]<kjr>klumsy: Stalin removed several letters from the alphabet
[04:57]<kjr>I can read pieces of it, but not a whole lot
[04:57]<cfudsd>surely you can make a copy of it, and get people to translate for you
[04:57]<kjr>klumsy: one of these days, if I inherit it, I intend on it
[04:58]<kjr>klumsy: if I could just find the family name, it'd be so much easier
[04:58]<cfudsd>have you asked your mom?
[04:58]<kjr>yes
[04:58]<cfudsd>and..
[04:58]<kjr>obviously nothing came of it
[04:58]<kjr>she either doesn't know or won't tell me... probably both
[04:58]<kjr>the only person alive that knows is someone who we don't talk to
[04:59]<kjr>I'm not sure she could answer me either
[04:59]<cfudsd>you could start a conversation
[04:59]<cfudsd>i see

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