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[12:45]<afd>damieng_: yes and that's what our LCD should have
[12:45]<afd>600dpi!
[12:45]<dzzctzrrzg>worst? i have printers worse than that
[12:46]<dzzctzrrzg>but they're ancient
[12:46]<drdyrrr_>if we had 600dpi screens you wouldn't *need* aliasing.
[12:46]<zyccus>that would be nice
[12:46]<dzzctzrrzg>if we had 600dpi screens we wouldn't need paper
[12:46]<drdyrrr_>DarkTrojan even the hp laserjet 3 circa 1992 had over 300dpi
[12:46]<dzzctzrrzg>i know
[12:46]<afd>minux: are you saying text in 21st century media is worse than that of 500 years ago? ;)
[12:46]<dzzctzrrzg>i've got 2
[12:46]<zyccus>we'd need 64x SLI graphics
[12:46]<dzzctzrrzg>yes aqd
[12:46]<afd>damieng_: exactly
[12:47]<drdyrrr_>not 500 years ago but yeah... computer typography is still abysmal compared to a couple of hundred years ago.
[12:47]<dyguw>AqD: I was saying we were talking about fonts on the screen, not printed fonts =)
[12:47]<afd>minux: but its quality should be 500 years better ;)
[12:47]<drdyrrr_>go over to channel9 and view some video blogs by a guy called bill hicks.
[12:47]<dyguw>AqD: Indeed it should.
[12:47]<drdyrrr_>he works for microsoft and is trying to bring their font rendering technology up to date so it can do proper typography.
[12:47]<afd>rikkus: you tried freetype 2.2? it improved a lot
[12:47]<afd>bill hicks.?
[12:47]<drdyrrr_>christ, xp's doesn't even support ligatures.
[12:48]<afd>ah what's ligatures??
[12:48]<dzzctzrrzg>bill hicks works for microsoft?!
[12:48]<drdyrrr_>it's when a pair of characters are rendered differently when next to each other
[12:48]<drdyrrr_>e.g. you may have a t with a curly bottom for one... or t's with lines through them and no bottoms when together.
[12:48]<afd>oh
[12:49]<afd>yes yes!
[12:49]<afd>that's how it should be!
[12:49]<drdyrrr_>there is an amazing font that comes on the mac called Zapfino which is based on the handwriting of a famous font designer. it's loaded with ligatures.
[12:50]<afd>zapfino.. the postscript font??
[12:50]<drdyrrr_>it's opentype afaik
[12:51]<drdyrrr_>but the fonts apple ship with the os are wrapped in .dfont files - presumably to stop windows users stealing them ;-)
[12:51]<afd>oh
[12:52]<dzzctzrrzg>damieng_: abusing them, you mean
[12:53]<drdyrrr_>heh
[12:54]<dzzctzrrzg>like i do
[12:54]<dzzctzrrzg>¬_¬
[12:59]<dzzctzrrzg>so anyway
[12:59]<dzzctzrrzg>here's my problem
[13:00]<dzzctzrrzg>standard controls use GDI to render text, but some other controls use GDI+
[13:00]<dzzctzrrzg>they look stupid side by side
[13:00]<kdzygcjdr>can anyone recommend a good C# book?
[13:01]<dzzctzrrzg>depends what you already know
[13:01]<dzzctzrrzg>not that i know any books
[13:02]<kdzygcjdr>i know good deal of C++
[13:02]<kdzygcjdr>and some of C
[13:03]<dzzctzrrzg>so you're constantly trying to use pointers?
[13:03]<kdzygcjdr>yup im comfortable with pointers
[13:03]<dzzctzrrzg>forget about pointers heh
[13:03]<kdzygcjdr>lol
[13:03]<dzzctzrrzg>there aren't any
[13:03]<kdzygcjdr>in C# cool :D
[13:04]<dzzctzrrzg>there's some good tutorials and shit out there on the net if you look hard enough
[13:04]<kdzygcjdr>too bad theres not a book to teach you the GUI while learning the language
[13:05]<drdyrrr_>well it's not strictly true
[13:05]<kjr>there are books on GUI design
[13:05]<dzzctzrrzg>just mess around, you'll pick it up
[13:05]<kjr>and there are also pointers
[13:05]<drdyrrr_>every reference type is a pointer. it just happens to be type-safe and you can't do arithmetic on it.
[13:05]<kjr>damieng_: yeah, but you can in unsafe space heh
[13:05]<dzzctzrrzg>well yes, they exist, but why would you go anywhere near them
[13:06]<kdzygcjdr>when i was learning Visual Basic I had a book that taught you gui while learning the language
[13:06]<kdzygcjdr>and i was wondering if there is one for C#
[13:07]<kjr>one would imagine that learning C# is a subset of designing the GUI in this case
[13:07]<drdyrrr_>String myString = "hello";
[13:07]<drdyrrr_>DarkTrojan, myString is a pointer.
[13:07]<dzzctzrrzg>technically yes, but so
[13:07]<dyguw>Jesus, my so called "girlfriend" doesn't know shit about behaviour.
[13:08]<kdzygcjdr>String *myString = " Hello";
[13:08]<kjr>it's a value of a pointer, but not a reference
[13:08]<kjr>minux: if you can't talk to her, there's always dumping
[13:08]<dzzctzrrzg>minux: ~girlfriend ();
[13:08]<drdyrrr_>err, tis a reference to a String object on the heap Kog
[13:08]<kjr>damieng_: passing "by reference" is done by the value of the reference
[13:08]<dyguw>Kog: I told her, she laughed.
[13:09]<kjr>minux: told her what, "you're dumped? pack your shit?"
[13:09]<drdyrrr_>i'm not talking about passing
[13:09]<dzzctzrrzg>you lot argue too much
[13:09]<dyguw>I told her that her behaviour is embarassing and that she needs to learn how to behave. She laughed.
[13:09]<dzzctzrrzg>heh
[13:09]<zyccus>damieng_: and .aac files aren't music, they're data!
[13:09]<kjr>a prime indication of truthiness
[13:10]<drdyrrr_>rikkus, yep.
[13:10]<zyccus>minux: she sounds amusing
[13:10]<dyguw>rikkus: She's not. :)
[13:10]<dyguw>How do you pronounce "data"?
[13:10]<dzzctzrrzg>minux: what, you have a gf and you're in a programming channel on irc?
[13:10]<kjr>rikkus: you could always put her on time-out, or start the spanking (in a non-kinky way)
[13:10]<drdyrrr_>that data may represent music after it's been filtered, sampled, quantized and compressed... but it is data.
[13:10]<dyguw>DarkTrojan: Indeed.
[13:10]<dzzctzrrzg>logic error
[13:10]<zyccus>minux: like later
[13:11]<zyccus>rikkus: she's not my gf, so I'd better not spank her
[13:11]<zyccus>er, Kog
[13:11]<kjr>sorry, meant minux not rikkus
[13:11]<dyguw>lol
[13:11]<zyccus>I meant Kog, not rikkus
[13:11]<dzzctzrrzg>lol

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