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[18:24]<azyfm>Progress 4GL + Progress database for the business layer
[18:24]<azyfm>new is MSSQL + C#
[18:24]<mjzymygo>arild: ah...
[18:24]<dyguw>Arild: Why switch in the middle of the project?
[18:24]<svnrfvx>hi
[18:24]<mjzymygo>so why was the project started with Progress?
[18:25]<azyfm>historical reasons, the company was a "Progress shop"
[18:25]<mjzymygo>Arild: you in the USA?
[18:25]<svnrfvx>I have made a database application, will the workings of it be affected if the db server is on a vpn? do i just put the ip of the db server from the vpn?
[18:25]<azyfm>earlier versions of the software was written wholly in Progress
[18:25]<azyfm>no, NOrway
[18:25]<mjzymygo>wow... progress outside of the usa... thought i'd heard it all...
[18:25]<mjzymygo>;)
[18:26]<azyfm>and all the in-house devs were Progress developers
[18:26]<dyguw>Arild: Hej kompis! :) Trevligt med folk ifrån Norden.
[18:26]<azyfm>the client was written in C# from the beginning, though
[18:26]<azyfm>hei :-)
[18:27]<dyguw>Moridin8: Can you explain the word "Mojo"? My dictionary says it's a Voodoo spell or amulet. :)
[18:27]<mjzymygo>Well... at least so long as you have covered your back the huge backlog won't be fired at you...
[18:27]<azyfm>heh
[18:28]<mjzymygo>minux: google "define:bad mojo"...
[18:28]<mjzymygo>kinda means "bad stuff will/is happening"
[18:29]<sdnffdxdlld>Mojo originated as a term with a specific meaning, but in the late 20th century became a very fluid term with many different meanings. It originated as a reference to a type of magic charm. The word traces its origins to Africa and entered the English language in the late 19th century or early 20th century through use by African Americans. It reflects the belief, common in many cultures, that some people have the ability to influence oth
[18:29]<dyguw>Bad Mojo is a computer game by Pulse Entertainment. According to Google.
[18:29]<mjzymygo>its a geeky term I picked up over the last decade...
[18:29]<mjzymygo>minux: read the meaning and use some imagination... ;)
[18:29]<dyguw>=)
[18:30]<mjzymygo>there is also Austin Powers... he 'lost' HIS 'Mojo' ;)
[18:30]<mjzymygo>in one of his films
[18:33]<svnrfvx>I have made a database application, will the workings of it be affected if the db server is on a vpn? do i just put the ip of the db server from the vpn?
[18:33]<sdnffdxdlld>stealth, why dont you go and read up on what vpn's are
[18:33]<svnrfvx>i have tried wikipedia and google :)
[18:33]<svnrfvx>cant really understand how they will affect my app
[18:34]<y-gz>Hello.. What is a good way to deal dynamically with windows forms. I need to make changes to the forms without the need to recompile the code every time
[18:34]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, what do you mean dynamic forms?
[18:34]<sdnffdxdlld>stealth, if you understand what they do then the answer becomes obvious
[18:35]<y-gz>stealth: load them from xml for example
[18:35]<sdnffdxdlld>i-nZ, you can programatically generate forms ...
[18:35]<sdnffdxdlld>just look at how VS does it and make your own code
[18:35]<y-gz>but isn't there already something in the .Net 2.0 to deal with such situations
[18:35]<azyfm>Sharpdevelop has some kind of XML form system, I believe
[18:35]<dyguw>i-nZ: Eh?
[18:36]<y-gz>i want something like GladeXML for C#
[18:36]<y-gz>if someone knows what Glade is
[18:36]<dyguw>i-nZ: Make your own code that creates forms out of XML data then.
[18:36]<nvzzfzsv>i-nZ: it will never happen. Even Avalon compiles the XML into class files.
[18:36]<svnrfvx>smellyhippy, well this is what i understand let me know if i am wrong, you make a vpn connection which is like a lan? therefore the ips inside it are different from the internet ip. Will my app pick this up if i enter the ip of a db server within the vpn?
[18:36]<sdnffdxdlld>i-nZ, I dont know of any, I've only ever implimented my own stuff
[18:37]<y-gz>fair enough
[18:37]<nvzzfzsv>i-nZ: even mono is using stetic which compiles the xml into files instead of glades approach
[18:37]<y-gz>i will make my own then
[18:37]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, i have made an app like this
[18:37]<y-gz>it's mainly for buttons, checkbox and combo boxes
[18:37]<sdnffdxdlld>a vpn tunnels a LAN over a WAN
[18:37]<y-gz>it's something that needs to be modified every few hours
[18:37]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, you can easily write out xml like this
[18:37]<sdnffdxdlld>so all appropriate LAN traffic is sent via the WAN
[18:38]<sdnffdxdlld>like a router would do internally on a large LAN
[18:38]<nvzzfzsv>smellyhippy: that is typical use, but no, a vpn tunnels encrypted network traffic over any medium
[18:38]<mjzymygo>i-nZ: look at Gtk# (http://gtk-sharp.sf.net):
[18:38]<mjzymygo>but thats for mono right now...
[18:38]<mjzymygo>I'm sure you can get a few tips from that...
[18:38]<sdnffdxdlld>evarlast, yeah
[18:38]<svnrfvx>smellyhippy, how does it know which ip is for which network (internet or vpn)
[18:38]<y-gz>it's not only for mono
[18:38]<azyfm>i-nZ: Can't you take a look at what Sharpdevelop does?
[18:38]<y-gz>GTK# works with .net for windows
[18:39]<mjzymygo>i-NZ... so you have your solution...
[18:39]<y-gz>but anyway i am stuck with windows forms :)
[18:39]<y-gz>thanks
[18:39]<nvzzfzsv>i-nZ: you will have to brew your own.
[18:39]<y-gz>yeap
[18:39]<nvzzfzsv>i-nZ: or rethink what you are doing :)
[18:39]<mjzymygo>i-Nz... like using ASP.NET maybe?
[18:39]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, if its basic buttons etc then : XML format = <TYPE><width/height/size here> <items>
[18:40]<nvzzfzsv>even asp.net must be recompiled on a form change. It just happens that IIS/ASP.NET does the compilation for you.
[18:40]<mjzymygo>everlast... ever heard of XML/XSLT?
[18:40]<nvzzfzsv>I think you can even turn off the auto compile feature.
[18:40]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, for example for a button you would get <System.Windows.Forms.Button x="0" y="0" w="100" h="20"><Items></Items>
[18:40]<nvzzfzsv>Moridin8: of course.
[18:40]<dyguw>If I got a Type which I think contains a static method, can I check to see if it does contain a static method with a specific signature?
[18:41]<mjzymygo>evarlast: then thats your answer...
[18:41]<dyguw>(I think it is called signature)
[18:41]<sdnffdxdlld>minux, yeah look into reflection
[18:41]<nvzzfzsv>why not just use xmlserializer on the form, and deserialize at run time :)
[18:42]<sdnffdxdlld>because xml serialization has some bastard limitations
[18:42]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, then you can loop the xml and dynamically generate button via Activator.CreateInstance()
[18:42]<wyfaj>yeah use xslt and throw away all the features that are there ;)
[18:42]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, its very simple and easy this way, i have a IDE made with plugins and using xml in this way
[18:43]<mjzymygo>wilco: even XSLT can be used judicisously and well inside ASP.NET tirsome model...
[18:43]<y-gz>stealth: thanks
[18:43]<y-gz>will give it a go
[18:43]<svnrfvx>i-nZ, no probs
[18:43]<mjzymygo>*tiresome
[18:43]<wyfaj>there's more to it than "being used"
[18:44]<wyfaj>that is, if you want to actually integrate with the entire asp.net model
[18:44]<mjzymygo>wilco, i'm not here to argu about ASP.NET's pants model ok?
[18:44]<wyfaj>sorry?
[18:44]<svnrfvx>hi could someone explain to me if a vpn will affect my app, i need to connect to a db server inside a vpn tunnel? do i do anything differently?
[18:44]<nvzzfzsv>stealth: if you don't understand your app well enough to answer that for yourself, how do you expect us to answer it for you?

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