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[11:10]<jjz_fzzjzn>how different does it look?
[11:10]<dzzctzrrzg>it's spaced differently
[11:10]<jjz_fzzjzn>screenshot handy?
[11:11]<dzzctzrrzg>it shifts the pixels into different places
[11:11]<dzzctzrrzg>er
[11:11]<jjz_fzzjzn>what can I say
[11:11]<jjz_fzzjzn>no idea
[11:11]<dzzctzrrzg>no sshot :/
[11:11]<jjz_fzzjzn>I mean it draws
[11:11]<jjz_fzzjzn>what happens to it inside of the DrawString method is beyond me
[11:12]<jjz_fzzjzn>if you're sure that all other things are equal I'm even more confused
[11:12]<jjz_fzzjzn>but oh well
[11:12]<jjz_fzzjzn>night!
[11:12]<dzzctzrrzg>nn
[11:12]<dzzctzrrzg>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/lankow/crap.png for anyone else
[11:13]<dzzctzrrzg>top one's from a graphics object
[11:13]<dzzctzrrzg>bottom one's from a textbox
[11:13]<dzzctzrrzg>+ some photoshop mess
[11:16]<dzzctzrrzg>i think i'm going to blame cleartype
[11:16]<dzzctzrrzg>yes i am
[11:18]<fyfuym-syfggag>thats site is down
[11:18]<fyfuym-syfggag>ah my dns was fucking around
[11:59]<pxyfkc>in VS '05, how would one show that a void may throw an exception.. Similar to Eclipse; void bleh() throws Exception { code(); }
[12:03]<vjvrfd_fjsv>um? in comments or like what? if in comments, then <exception> tag
[12:08]<pxyfkc>Gah
[12:08]<pxyfkc>Can't believe I missed that, I was trying to put it in the summary, where it didn't show.
[12:08]<pxyfkc>Ta totaly_lost.
[12:09]<dzzctzrrzg>is anyone here from microsoft?
[12:10]<dzzctzrrzg>i need to murder someone
[12:10]<pxyfkc_>Can't believe I missed that, I was trying to put it in the summary, where it didn't show. | Ta totaly_lost.
[12:11]<kdzygcjdr>hey does CLR have its own Winsock or do you have to include it?
[12:11]<dzzctzrrzg>you said that already
[12:11]<dzzctzrrzg>you mean the system.net namespace?
[12:11]<mjzymygo>KyrinComa: um... it uses Winsock...
[12:12]<kdzygcjdr>how would I had it to a NET app if winsock was meant for WinAPI
[12:13]<mjzymygo>? why do you want to talk directly to Winsock?
[12:14]<kdzygcjdr>well i plan to use the internet through my application
[12:14]<vjvrfd_fjsv>DarkTrojan problem with microsoft?:)
[12:14]<dyguw>Wouldn't it be possible to change the VisualStudio devenv.exe so that VS toolstrips etc get the blue colors like ToolStrips get by default?
[12:15]<dzzctzrrzg>yes
[12:15]<dzzctzrrzg>they made GDI+ worse than GDI
[12:15]<dzzctzrrzg>how stoopid is that
[12:16]<vjvrfd_fjsv>:D
[12:16]<vjvrfd_fjsv>can't tell, never tried that..
[12:16]<zyccus>KyrinComa: use the System.Net namespace... read about it.
[12:16]<dzzctzrrzg>that link i posted earlier
[12:16]<zyccus>DarkTrojan: seems to work for me - what's broken with it?
[12:16]<kdzygcjdr>okay thanxs
[12:16]<dzzctzrrzg>top line is GDI+ and looks shit
[12:16]<dzzctzrrzg>bottom line is GDI
[12:17]<dyguw>DarkTrojan: Where? Give me URL.
[12:17]<dzzctzrrzg>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/lankow/crap.png
[12:17]<zyccus>DarkTrojan: looks like they have different ClearType settings... one not picking up the system-wide?
[12:17]<dzzctzrrzg>if i want to write text that looks decent i have to use the new .net
[12:18]<dzzctzrrzg>rikkus: no, it's a different graphics library
[12:18]<zyccus>I think both look ok
[12:18]<dyguw>DarkTrojan: I think the top one looks best, GDI+ right?
[12:18]<zyccus>I know it's a different library
[12:18]<dzzctzrrzg>they look fine on their own, but not together
[12:18]<dzzctzrrzg>i think the top one looks shit
[12:18]<zyccus>but the effect looks like that which you get when you alter cleartype settings
[12:19]<zyccus>the top one looks best on my display
[12:19]<dyguw>I think the bottom one is ugly
[12:19]<zyccus>on an LCD, it probably looks bad
[12:19]<dyguw>I am on a laptop and the top one looks best here... can't try it on a CRT though
[12:19]<dzzctzrrzg>yeah that's the cleartype
[12:20]<zyccus>I really do think that one library is honouring your cleartype settings and one isn't
[12:20]<zyccus>have you used cleartweak?
[12:20]<dzzctzrrzg>yes
[12:20]<dyguw>rikkus: How come you moved from KDE to .NET?
[12:20]<dzzctzrrzg>they're both using the cleartype settings
[12:20]<zyccus>it looks like one isn't
[12:22]<dzzctzrrzg>if i turn it off they look the same
[12:22]<dzzctzrrzg>as each other
[12:22]<zyccus>minux: I moved from KDE to Qtopia first... then wasn't earning a steady enough salary, so took a VB6 job to get paid... and persuaded the company to start using .NET
[12:23]<zyccus>DarkTrojan: which means that one of them isn't honouring the tweaked cleartype settings... but they both honour the 'switch cleartype on' setting
[12:23]<zyccus>DarkTrojan: either that, or one is picking a slightly different font... looks the same, though
[12:23]<vjvrfd_fjsv>heh
[12:23]<vjvrfd_fjsv>microsoft pays better..;)
[12:24]<dzzctzrrzg>heh
[12:25]<kdzygcjdr>hey i don't get no Intellisense when i do a struct like aRect.something
[12:25]<dzzctzrrzg>rikkus it's not tweaked that much
[12:25]<drdyrrr_>when you render with gdi+ there are several font smoothing options
[12:25]<zyccus>DarkTrojan: http://blogs.msdn.com/cjacks/archive/2006/05/11/595525.aspx
[12:25]<drdyrrr_>looks like they're using two different ones
[12:25]<zyccus>DarkTrojan: set your own hints
[12:25]<drdyrrr_>yeah, thats it
[12:26]<dzzctzrrzg>tried it
[12:26]<zyccus>totaly_lost: I don't get paid by Microsoft ;)
[12:26]<dyguw>rikkus: Ah, nice. :)
[12:26]<dzzctzrrzg>heh
[12:27]<dyguw>I want the toolstrips to be blue =)
[12:27]<dzzctzrrzg>picky picky
[12:27]<dyguw>indeed
[12:27]<dzzctzrrzg>you want that 3d effect that comes with office?
[12:27]<dyguw>yes, the blue 3d effect, but VS is gray
[12:28]<dzzctzrrzg>ew :x
[12:28]<dyguw>Have you seen Beta 1 of Office 2007? It's even more blue than it was before. Application workspace, dialogs, menus, etc... everything is blue
[12:29]<dzzctzrrzg>argh :/

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