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[23:31]<txnjzd>Kog: https does this...
[23:31]<kjr>Theory: in one direction
[23:32]<pnfys_>Kog: actually in both. you may require clients to provide certificates to authenticate themselves.
[23:32]<kjr>felis_: did I mention that I, too, am a member of CACert? ;)
[23:32]<kjr>felis_: but just throwing it in HTTPS doesn't do anything
[23:33]<pnfys_>Kog: if you are, then you should know how SSL works. :)
[23:33]<svgvgg_>HTTPS only providosen't it ?es server authentication d
[23:33]<kjr>steven_: whoa... say what?
[23:33]<svgvgg_>again HTTPS only provides server authentication does it not ?
[23:33]<pnfys_>no
[23:33]<svgvgg_>lol damm track pad
[23:34]<kjr>felis_: I do know how SSL works, but just throwing something into HTTPS doesn't do what we just discussed
[23:34]<pnfys_>like I just said, you may very well require clients to authenticate themselves through the use of SSL certificates.
[23:34]<kjr>felis_: also... I think XML-sec does some stuff HTTPS doesn't, but it wasn't very well documented
[23:34]<pnfys_>Kog: I didn't follow the discussion, I just wanted to emphasize that SSL supports two-way authentication.
[23:34]<kjr>I suppose that for a service like this you could be your own CA
[23:35]<pnfys_>Kog: whether that fulfills the requirements of PKI, I do not know.
[23:35]<kjr>felis_: yes, but just tunneling it over SSL doesn't
[23:35]<kjr>felis_: sorry.. I just woke up, so I'm not as concise as I should be :(
[23:35]<pnfys_>Kog: depends on how you set it up. :)
[23:35]<kjr>let me attempt to be yet more concise - out of the box it doesn't
[23:35]<svgvgg_>I think SSL optionally supports client authentication
[23:36]<pnfys_>Kog: that is true
[23:36]<svgvgg_>it's not always used
[23:36]<kjr>steven_: you're about 3 minutes behind on that revelation heh
[23:36]<pnfys_>but back to my question - does anyone know of an event that will be fired after Show() has finished?
[23:36]<svgvgg_>Kog, ah well better late than never it's been a late night and im still at work !
[23:37]<kjr>steven_: you're talking to a guy that regularly works late hours, insanely late hours... it's the life of a programmer
[23:37]<kjr>Theory: I also forgot that you can just stuff a web service in HTTPS heh
[23:37]<pnfys_>steven_: well, the SSL standard does not regard that as more optional than the use of server certificates, but yes, most server setups with SSL provide only server authentication by default
[23:38]<svgvgg_>felis_, i should know all the details i only took my network and system security exam 3 days ago! lol begining to worry now
[23:39]<pnfys_>steven_: mine was a couple of years back
[23:39]<kjr>steven_: SSL isn't particularly hard to remember thankfully, and the spec is easily enough read
[23:39]<pnfys_>i'm finishing my masters thesis these days
[23:39]<svgvgg_>I belive there is also SHTTP which provides more features than HTTPS but is not supported by many browsers
[23:39]<kjr>felis_: oh?
[23:39]<kjr>felis_: anything interesting?
[23:40]<pnfys_>Kog: kinda cool, yeah. search applications for mobile devices.
[23:40]<kjr>neh
[23:40]<svgvgg_>Yeh just finished my dissertation the beginings of an enterprise management system ;)
[23:40]<kjr>unless it'd distributed ;)
[23:40]<pnfys_>Kog: it is.
[23:40]<kjr>oh hey, th at's interesting
[23:40]<kjr>felis_: what's it do?
[23:41]<svgvgg_>well the initial framework that let's objects be linked over a network
[23:41]<pnfys_>to put it short, if you're a company, then all your company's data is made available on your mobile device
[23:41]<kjr>felis_: hm
[23:41]<pnfys_>through a search client
[23:41]<pnfys_>(which is what I have made now)
[23:42]<kjr>so are the two of you getting applied comp sci? or what?
[23:42]<pnfys_>Artificial Intelligence field
[23:42]<kjr>felis_: wait, so how is your system an expert system?
[23:43]<kjr>the negotiation I'd guess
[23:43]<svgvgg_>will be Bsc
[23:43]<lnvnzxu>Master of Technology? do you get a tiger and a ferret?
[23:43]<pnfys_>Kog: well, all of that is actually done server-side.
[23:43]<kjr>peterhu: HE HAS! THE POWER!
[23:43]<svgvgg_>when the uni lectures come off STRIKE!
[23:43]<kjr>steven_: bsc?
[23:43]<lnvnzxu>steven_: i haven't been pwn3d yet =(
[23:43]<kjr>steven_: you're undergrad? or?
[23:43]<pnfys_>Kog: the research mainly lies in creating efficient user interfaces for search and handling the data that is made available
[23:44]<kjr>felis_: hm, sounds like cog sci
[23:44]<pnfys_>Kog: network connectivity is sloooooow
[23:44]<kjr>neh, what do I know
[23:44]<txnjzd>cog sci?
[23:44]<pnfys_>since it's mobile)
[23:44]<kjr>cognitive science
[23:44]<pnfys_>nah
[23:44]<pnfys_>well, kinda, but no
[23:44]<txnjzd>erm..not really..
[23:44]<svgvgg_>bachelor of sciences
[23:44]<kjr>Theory: a new branch of what cog sci is doing deals with UI and information layout
[23:44]<kjr>Theory: read "things that make us smart" heh
[23:45]<pnfys_>Kog: check out ox.no/academic for the report from my fall project on catastrophic forgetting in neural networks
[23:45]<pnfys_>that was cool :)
[23:45]<kjr>basically, if you want the greatest penetration of knowledge...
[23:45]<kjr>felis_: yeah, I somehow managed to not take Automata theory as part of my undergrad
[23:45]<kjr>felis_: and now I need to find somewhere to take it before I contemplate OGI, they're fairly conservative in terms of requirements
[23:45]<pnfys_>OGI?
[23:46]<kjr>it's a grad school around here
[23:46]<pnfys_>ok
[23:47]<svgvgg_>whts grad school ? not uni ?
[23:47]<kjr>steven_: it's post graduate research
[23:47]<svgvgg_>ahh
[23:47]<kjr>steven_: a uni is both post and undergraduate
[23:47]<kjr>a college (in the US) is purely undergraduate heh
[23:47]<svgvgg_>not intending do do my masters for a few years
[23:48]<svgvgg_>setting up my own business instead should be fun going to the bank with my student loans!
[23:48]<txnjzd>hehe
[23:48]<kjr>felis_: wait, so you need to feed a neural network orthogonal data? why is that?
[23:48]<kjr>and how orthogonal?
[23:48]<svgvgg_>Kog, collage over here is 16 to 18, then uni
[23:48]<txnjzd>steven_: student loans don't kick in until you start earning money :-)
[23:49]<svgvgg_>lol well hopefully ill be paying myself more than ?10000 this year
[23:49]<kjr>Theory: around here there's a calendar period of like 6 months to a year, depending on what type of loan
[23:49]<svgvgg_>and thats the cust off limit i think at the moment over here
[23:49]<kjr>steven_: out of curiosity, where is 'here' ?
[23:49]<svgvgg_>UK
[23:49]<txnjzd>steven_: 15k now I think you'll find :-)

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