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[01:21]<kjr>I wonder what 4gl is supposed to mean
[01:21]<zyjvnz>some made up word to make gl seem 'cool'?
[01:21]<kjr>rioter: no, it's an enterprise buzzword
[01:22]<kjr>"we're attempting to make OFBiz 4gl enterprise quality"
[01:22]<zyjvnz>oh then it means a waste of time that we will have to learn
[01:22]<zyjvnz>that could be done now, but managment want it done with 4gl because it makes them look cool
[01:22]<kjr>rioter: far as I can tell it isn't a spec, or a guarantee, or even a brand
[01:22]<zyjvnz>4gl could mean fourth generation language?
[01:22]<kjr>no
[01:22]<wyfaj`>4th generation language
[01:23]<kjr>wilco`: they're using it in context of comparison against other applications... in the given context it makes no sense
[01:23]<wyfaj`>although in the context you gave.. it doesnt seem to make sense
[01:23]<kjr>well, it is enterprise talk, so it's probably coming straight out of the ass
[01:23]<zyjvnz>Kog who wrote that sentence depending on the person it could be out of context but they just wanted to use it
[01:23]<wyfaj`>heh
[01:23]<zyjvnz>like when xml was a buzz word, it would be used everywhere
[01:23]<zyjvnz>even places it didnt make sense
[01:23]<kjr>dunno if Java qualifies as a fourth generation language
[01:24]<kjr>it's either 2nd/3rd or much farther down, depending on how you do your accounting
[01:25]<zyjvnz>its a 2nd generation language trying to be a 3rd generation language, but falling some where in between and becoming c++'s retarted cousin that no one wants to talk about to much
[01:25]<wyfaj`>java is 3gl
[01:26]<kjr>it's generaly accepted to be 3rd generation
[01:26]<wyfaj`>2gl consists of assembly languages already afaik
[01:26]<kjr>wilco`: wait... what?
[01:26]<kjr>what constitutes a "generation" then
[01:26]<kjr>I thought it was the evolution of the language
[01:26]<kjr>IE - Java descends from C and C++
[01:26]<wyfaj`>not really
[01:27]<wyfaj`>afaik its more about new paradigms etc
[01:27]<wyfaj`>in a rather broad sense
[01:28]<kjr>so then... switches, cards, assembler, low level, high level would make it 5gl
[01:28]<wyfaj`>heh
[01:28]<wyfaj`>i think it starts with machine languages (1gl)
[01:28]<kjr>oh, so layers of abstraction
[01:29]<wyfaj`>yeah thats a good way to put it i guess.
[01:29]<kjr>I saw generation and thought of a historical context
[01:29]<kjr>heh
[01:29]<wyfaj`>i dont recall a formal definition though
[01:29]<kjr>wilco`: silly rabbit, that's what google is for
[01:29]<kjr>http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/fourth_generation_language.html
[01:30]<kjr>I guess by that definition VB is a 4th generation language, but java isn't
[01:30]<kjr>I wonder if that makes Chef a 5th generation language ;)
[01:30]<wyfaj`>not sure where vb would be
[01:30]<wyfaj`>probably on the line of 3/4
[01:31]<wyfaj`>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_programming_language
[01:31]<kjr>wilco`: their assertion is that as a language shifts more towards natural language it becomes higher on the scale. VB is supposed to be a subset of English
[01:31]<kjr>wilco`: I guess the link I posted sucked...
[01:32]<kjr>oh hey, VB is listed as 4g
[01:32]<kjr>wilco`: ok... so what they were saying is they seek to give you a higher level of abstraction via a comprehensive toolkit.. wow, what a lack of elocution
[01:33]<wyfaj`>so is windows forms... which seems wrong, heh
[01:33]<wyfaj`>but yeah vb as 4gl makes sense i guess
[02:09]<sxjaaajzn>is it possible to convert ArrayList to Array?
[02:10]<mzvzzznz__>yes
[02:11]<mzvzzznz__>there is a ToArray() method
[02:13]<sxjaaajzn>ok
[02:13]<sxjaaajzn>easy lol
[05:32]<mupmvz_>bah
[05:32]<awjzdd>y0
[05:33]<mupmvz_>yepper
[05:34]<awjzdd>sup?
[05:34]<mupmvz_>time to finish this beer and get another i guess
[05:34]<awjzdd>10-4
[05:35]<awjzdd>hunts ketchup succkkss
[05:35]<mupmvz_>brain=off
[05:35]<mupmvz_>dont care 4 ketchup much
[05:35]<mupmvz_>seems like alot of work
[05:35]<awjzdd>lol
[05:38]<mupmvz_>slow nite
[05:39]<awjzdd>yuppers

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