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[04:21]<kjr>Theory: they're not mutually exclusive
[04:21]<kjr>mufdvr: that's where social engineering comes in
[04:21]<kjr>mufdvr: hypnotism ;)
[04:21]<mupmvz>most of the specs i end up w/ a from US state who took specs from 12 other states and compiled some crap
[04:21]<rxrcr>Kog, my coffee table is a glass top, and is seperated from the storage under it by around 4 inches of air. All I have to do is put a white mat under the glass and I use it like a whiteboard
[04:22]<kjr>chaka: I'm too poor to buy glass
[04:22]<rxrcr>it's the most multi-function peice of furnature I have
[04:22]<rxrcr>nod
[04:22]<kjr>although, I wanna take up metalworking and build some furniture
[04:22]<rxrcr>Kog, you'd be surprised, most of the whiteboards in this building are awful. They don't erase properly
[04:22]<kjr>chaka: the one at work does that too
[04:23]<mupmvz>ditto
[04:23]<rxrcr>makes me a sad panda every time I use it
[04:24]<kjr>chaka: but usually I work from home
[04:24]<kjr>so it's not a problem
[04:26]<txnjzd>right, so here's the plan
[04:26]<txnjzd>come up with a great idea
[04:26]<txnjzd>get lots of venture capital
[04:26]<txnjzd>hire all the quality coders who are always complaining on irc
[04:26]<txnjzd>profit!
[04:28]<rnzrnf_->the only problem: what´s the great idea?
[04:30]<txnjzd>I have a few I'm going to play with over summer :-)
[04:32]<kjr>well, I know plenty of vultures
[04:32]<kjr>I'll also work with you if I get a real title... "coder" isn't going to happen
[04:32]<txnjzd>data-wrangler?
[04:33]<kjr>Software Engineer is customary
[04:33]<mupmvz>so u want to get paid and get a title
[04:33]<txnjzd>Kog: very un web two point oh though :-)
[04:33]<kjr>Theory: yes, but most of "web2.0" is about ignorance
[04:33]<kjr>Theory: they're inspired by Apple
[04:33]<kjr>"oooh shiny"
[04:33]<txnjzd>Kog: yes, and the great thing about appealing to ignorance is the size of your market
[04:34]<kjr>so shiny all adjectives start to fail, and soon they're entranced by shininess
[04:34]<kjr>to the point where they'll shell out $500 for a new shell for their miniature broken ipod
[04:35]<kjr>yeah, my cheapass has a Nomad.. half the cost
[04:35]<kjr>heh
[04:35]<kjr>oh, and I don't need to run ITunes
[04:35]<xndnrydrf>anyone know how I can disable constraint enforcing in a dataset, when I'm using only a datatable with datatable.load() ? The dataset starts out as null so I can't go dt.DataSet.EnforceConstraints = false; ?
[04:35]<txnjzd>Kog: I tried very hard not to buy an iPod, but it had the best linux support
[04:36]<kjr>for the extra $200 you saved you could buy a license for windows haha
[04:36]<kjr>not go to jail, and not need to run ITunes
[04:36]<txnjzd>Kog: where does jail fit into the equation?
[04:36]<kjr>Theory: most people seem to steal windows
[04:37]<txnjzd>Kog: that argument doesn't work :-)
[04:37]<kjr>what argument doesn't work
[04:37]<txnjzd>if I had stolen windows I wouldn't care about linux support
[04:37]<txnjzd>so could save the $200 *and* not buy windows
[04:37]<kjr>Theory: not if the player doesn't work on linux
[04:37]<kjr>Theory: which apparently nothing but an IPod does
[04:38]<txnjzd>Kog: if we are assuming I've pirated windows...
[04:38]<kjr>Theory: I was assuming you'd never be a pirate. I assume your software is all legal, and your music too
[04:38]<txnjzd>Good :-)
[04:38]<kjr>Theory: I assume you're an updstanding citizen in good standing of your respective district
[04:38]<kjr>and/or prefecture
[04:38]<txnjzd>Kog: questionable ;-)
[04:39]<kjr>Theory: I'll pretend you're in good standing per my knowledge
[04:39]<txnjzd>thanks
[04:41]<txnjzd>damnit, there goes my plans to make a million
[04:41]<kjr>Theory: what's the reward on your head?
[04:42]<txnjzd>Kog: 0, they've not caught me yet ;-)
[04:42]<kjr>rewards are pre-emptive
[04:42]<txnjzd>as in they don't know I did it
[04:46]<kjr>uh huh
[04:47]<kjr>Theory: yeah, but we all know better
[04:47]<txnjzd>;-)
[04:48]<kjr>you shot the sheriff
[04:48]<kjr>speaking of open source exp.. I've been accepted on the osCommerce team
[04:49]<txnjzd>cool
[04:49]<txnjzd>what's your take on the osCommerce code?
[04:49]<kjr>shitty
[04:49]<txnjzd>good, I don't have to try to be polite
[04:50]<omdss1us>where u located Kog again?'
[04:50]<kjr>Odyss3us: portland
[04:50]<omdss1us>god damnit
[04:50]<omdss1us>u just said that
[04:50]<kjr>Odyss3us: you'll thank me for it when you don't write corporate emails like that
[04:50]<omdss1us>you should see this email I wrote last week
[04:51]<kjr>Odyss3us: you could always call it pr0tland
[04:51]<txnjzd>pr0nland?
[04:51]<kjr>but then I'd have to fucking kill you
[04:52]<kjr>Theory: HPDL wants to use my ACL stuff
[04:52]<kjr>Theory: but... he still hasn't given me a branch on SVN
[04:53]<txnjzd>Kog: do you have a user account?
[04:53]<kjr>yes
[04:53]<txnjzd>can't you make one then?
[04:53]<kjr>no
[04:53]<kjr>Theory: I also have a disagreement with him on many matters... he wants to use 2space convention
[04:54]<txnjzd>weirdo, everyone knows you should use tabs
[04:54]<txnjzd>(though 2 space is the most pleasant tabstop convention)
[04:56]<txnjzd>Kog: if you are interested in working on a php based open source project that puts an extremely strong emphasis on code quality I may have something that interests you in a month or so
[04:56]<kjr>Theory: I have my own stable of things to write against
[04:56]<txnjzd>fair enough :-)
[04:56]<kjr>Theory: however, we use OSC at work, and it's also great resume fodder
[04:57]<kjr>the ACL system I built was designed for another of my projects
[04:57]<txnjzd>People at work tried to persuade me to work with osC, I decided coding from scratch was preferable
[04:57]<kjr>along with my IAuth interface (and accompanying implementation in PGSQL and .htpasswd)
[04:57]<kjr>neh, OSC itself does most of what you want
[04:57]<kjr>Theory: we're swapping to OFBiz
[04:58]<txnjzd>java
[04:58]<kjr>yes

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