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[13:01]<sdz>Moridin8, j# was a sun initative?
[13:01]<tdlnr>from what i read I think im going to enjoy C# it may take longer than C++ but ill get it;)
[13:01]<mjzymygo>SDr: yeh. not very publicly known. It was supposed to be Suns offical .NET version of Java
[13:03]<tdlnr>as anyone bother trrying to use J#?
[13:03]<tdlnr>has*
[13:03]<mjzymygo>TypeR, not really.
[13:03]<sdz>TypeR, I did
[13:03]<tdlnr>is it worth a shot?
[13:03]<tdlnr>or not
[13:03]<mjzymygo>not really
[13:03]<sdz>TypeR, trying to convert a library to .NET
[13:04]<sdz>but as soon as I spoted import Sun.blah, I chickened out ;)
[13:04]<mjzymygo>M$ are keeping it on to use a tool to help lure Java developers and to keep a continual thorn in suns paw
[13:04]<sdz>Moridin8, I thought it was due to the usage of j++?
[13:05]<sdz>to make them a way to move along?
[13:05]<mjzymygo>J++ is j# (more or less)
[13:05]<tdlnr>micrsoft has a place in my heart on certain things but a place in my arse on other things
[13:05]<mjzymygo>J# being one of them I am sure
[13:05]<tdlnr>is VB worth learning?
[13:05]<dnscr>no
[13:05]<dnscr>;]
[13:06]<sdz>TypeR, again, libraries
[13:06]<mjzymygo>yo9u can use all the features (more or less) of VB by just including the right library
[13:06]<mjzymygo>(in c#)
[13:06]<tdlnr>i tried learning a few years ago and it was horrible and too annoying i thought it might have cleared up by then
[13:06]<mjzymygo>VB is bloat
[13:06]<dnscr>brrrr
[13:06]<dnscr>vb + mdac
[13:06]<dnscr>look , how nice threading goes ...
[13:07]<sdz>TypeR, you might come accross [for example, on web applications older than 3 years] apps, which is written in VB
[13:08]<sdz>Tisztelt Urak!
[13:08]<sdz>15 perces prezentációban tessék gondolkodni. (Sajnos nincs még
[13:08]<sdz>végleges beosztás.)
[13:08]<sdz>aah
[13:08]<sdz>wrong window, sorry
[13:08]<dyguw>Install Shield is written in J# :) (The latest Install Shield version)
[13:08]<sdz>[nobody here speaks hungarian I hope so ;) ]
[13:10]<dnscr>does .net have a class where it stores defaults icons, like information, warning etc, or am i hoping too much?
[13:10]<dyguw>SDr: You said something nasty?
[13:10]<dyguw>meska: Of course =)
[13:11]<dyguw>System.Drawing.SystemIcons.*
[13:11]<dnscr>ah, thanks
[13:11]<dnscr>;]
[13:11]<zyccus>Moridin8: keyboard is ok... I won't be taking legal action
[13:11]<sdnffdxdlld>ello guys
[13:11]<zyccus>SDr: My colleague is Hungarian
[13:12]<mjzymygo>rikkus: ;)
[13:12]<sdnffdxdlld>I take it that FieldInfo.SetValue(object, object) boxes values :/
[13:12]<mjzymygo>smippy: howdy!
[13:12]<mjzymygo>smippy: yer
[13:12]<sdnffdxdlld>then why didnt they make a generic version!
[13:12]<dyguw>smellyhippy: Take a shower!
[13:13]<mjzymygo>smippy: I thought that.
[13:13]<dyguw>Damn, it rains and I really need to go to the bank.
[13:14]<sdnffdxdlld>grrrrrr I had it all sorted ... there was no boxing between the database and the business objects ... except that one bit
[13:14]<tdlnr>how hard is using XML in C#?
[13:14]<sdnffdxdlld>hmmm I wonder if I can make my own version
[13:16]<mjzymygo>TypeR: easier than MSXML, not as easy as the up and comming LINQ features
[13:16]<dyguw>What is LINQ`
[13:16]<dyguw>?
[13:17]<mjzymygo>Look into C# future versions on MSDN
[13:17]<tdlnr>well i was wonder cause i came across XML Documentation in my book just now
[13:18]<sdnffdxdlld>hmmm ms dont want to make it very easy for you to look at the reflection code
[13:18]<mjzymygo>smippy: where is it?
[13:18]<mjzymygo>(dll)
[13:18]<sdnffdxdlld>hehe thats the problem :P
[13:18]<sdnffdxdlld>I cant find the dll its in
[13:19]<sdnffdxdlld>and the rotor code doesnt seem to have what i want
[13:19]<mjzymygo>um.. mscorlib
[13:19]<sdnffdxdlld>sweet thanks dude
[13:20]<sdnffdxdlld>apparently its just an abstract :/
[13:20]<mjzymygo>yeh... I'm looking myself...
[13:24]<sdnffdxdlld>damn :/ my mate at ms isnt online so i cant get him to email the people in the know
[13:25]<sdnffdxdlld>:\
[13:26]<dyguw>Do you guys use dotfuscator?
[13:26]<sdz>hey, while we are at the language topic
[13:26]<sdz>anyone coded in IL so far?
[13:26]<sdnffdxdlld>no obfuscation on .net just buggers things up and can still be relitivly easily circumvented
[13:28]<dyguw>Then I can just skip that part.
[13:29]<dyguw>Hmm, what language is Visual Studio written in? I can't disassemble it with ILDASM
[13:29]<zyccus>C++
[13:29]<zyccus>(at least... perhaps others)
[13:29]<sdnffdxdlld>if FieldInfo in mscorlib is abstract then what implimentsit :S
[13:29]<dyguw>So there is an update C++ version from Microsoft?
[13:29]<sdnffdxdlld>2005 has some managed code now
[13:29]<dyguw>updated*
[13:30]<sdnffdxdlld>iirc i saw somewhere it has like 7million+ lines of managed code
[13:30]<sdz>minux, there's a win32 native c++ compiler in visual studio
[13:30]<sdz>new project / other languages / win32 app
[13:30]<dyguw>Oh, there is? :D Do I get that if I install the Visual C++?
[13:31]<sdz>it's included in the prof edition, and above; don't have any information about express editions
[13:31]<dyguw>I got Pro
[13:32]<drdyrrr>visual C++ express does do native c/C++
[13:32]<sdnffdxdlld>http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2005/12/16/504847.aspx << ammount of managed code in various ms apps
[13:32]<drdyrrr>it even comes with an STL
[13:32]<dyguw>I wonder if native C++ will give me access to the new GUI controls...
[13:32]<drdyrrr>which new gui controls?
[13:32]<dyguw>ToolStrip, etc..
[13:33]<zyccus>the Windows.Forms controls?
[13:33]<drdyrrr>you can access those from c#

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