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[14:56]<mjzymygj|bjznm>I just got a job advertisement from a recruitment firm asking if they can put my details forward to a junior role paying 1/7th of what I earn...
[14:58]<drdyrrr_>nice
[14:58]<drdyrrr_>I'd send an email back explaining that and that if they can't be bothered to do their job properly they should never contact you again :D
[15:01]<mjzymygo>sodding ADSL
[15:01]<mjzymygo>[12:57:50] <Moridin8|Bored> this company is asking for 4 years .NET experience and want to employ a 'junior'???
[15:01]<mjzymygo>[12:57:53] <Moridin8|Bored> OMG
[15:01]<mjzymygo>oops...
[15:02]<ycnr_>=)
[15:03]<y-gz>Does anyone have a good tutorial on component inheritance and the behaviour of a designer on it ?
[15:04]<txnjzd>Moridin8: all the best ones started at 12 ;-)
[15:06]<drdyrrr_>my top tip of the day; dataReader.GetOrdinal is slow. Cache em.
[15:07]<lyfuym-wjzc>guys
[15:07]<lyfuym-wjzc>if I add controls
[15:07]<lyfuym-wjzc>nm
[15:07]<own> VS 2005 default policy is it, to use .NET for C++ projects, right?
[15:09]<own>how can i detect if my application is linked against .NET (on windows)
[15:16]<krffnjs>SELECT ID FROM Transaktionsdetails WHERE EbayNr = '110000170335' I just filled a dateset with this sql command. After that I get rows with 2 items in ArrayItem. Why?! I just selected ID and not other columns (info: the other item in arrayitem is always DBNull)
[15:17]<drdyrrr_>you sure you've got two?
[15:17]<drdyrrr_>and you're not for'ing from 0 to length
[15:17]<krffnjs>er
[15:17]<krffnjs>no
[15:18]<krffnjs>my db is an access db btw--
[15:18]<drdyrrr_>if i were you then i'd examine the column details for that second column, especially name. see why it's suddenly popped into existance.
[15:19]<krffnjs>there are no details..
[15:19]<krffnjs>it is always
[15:19]<krffnjs>DBNull value
[15:19]<drdyrrr_>never heard of that problem before.
[15:19]<dyguw>Damn, that kid made me angry. They interviewed people downtown on the radio about filesharing and the god damned girl said: "I think it is good you can download music, games and movies, since everyone can't afford it."
[15:20]<dyguw>Jesus, does that mean that she would allow stealing candy from a candyshop as well since I can't afford it?
[15:20]<drdyrrr_>piracy != theft
[15:20]<drdyrrr_>if you steal the candy then the shop keeper can't sell it to someone else
[15:20]<drdyrrr_>if you were never going to buy something and copied it then nobody has actually lost anything.
[15:20]<jyvnzs>WOW!
[15:20]<zyccus>minux: perhaps she'd think it's ok to walk into the shop with a replicator and make a copy of the 'candy'
[15:20]<dyguw>So that makes it legal to take movies and stuff because you don't have enough money to buy it?
[15:21]<jyvnzs>she's breaking the 1.8590 range!!!!!!!!
[15:21]<jyvnzs>whoooooha!
[15:21]<drdyrrr_>i never said it makes it legal, it's obviously not.
[15:21]<zyccus>minux: it doesn't make it legal - but aren't you talking about morality?
[15:21]<jyvnzs>i'm shorting 100 lots at 1:100 leverage!
[15:21]<drdyrrr_>but calling it theft is utter bullshit.
[15:21]<dyguw>Yes, I am talking about the god damned morality.
[15:21]<zyccus>minux: you said 'legal'
[15:21]<dyguw>Legal as well.
[15:22]<drdyrrr_>they claim that piracy = lost sales.
[15:22]<dyguw>It isn't legal to steal nor is it legal to copy music or software without a license to do so.
[15:22]<dyguw>Yes, piracy is lost sales.
[15:22]<drdyrrr_>so by their own token people who tell their friends "don't go and see x it's shit" also = theft
[15:22]<dyguw>No, it's not.
[15:22]<zyccus>I don't think it's morally right to clone stuff which you can't afford - unless you need that item for health or something like that and can't get it any other way (e.g. cloned pharmaceuticals)
[15:23]<zyccus>but piracy isn't necessarily lost sales...
[15:23]<drdyrrr_>okay ,lets say friend a of mine copies a movie he has no intention of buying. he's bored and would otherwise watch one he's already seen.
[15:23]<mjzymygo>in my case piracy gives me the confidence to purchase the legal versions.
[15:23]<drdyrrr_>there is no theft.
[15:23]<mjzymygo>If I download something and hate it, I just delete it.
[15:24]<mjzymygo>If I like it, I make a point of buying it.
[15:24]<drdyrrr_>same here
[15:24]<mjzymygo>I know many people who like that.
[15:24]<drdyrrr_>if i didn't "pirate" i wouldn't own any franz ferdinan cd's/itunes downloads.
[15:24]<mjzymygo>My music and movie collection has increased because of that attitude in ways it never would have otherwise
[15:24]<zyccus>I often download some music I've heard of via some P2P thing and if I like it, go and buy the album/whatever
[15:24]<dyguw>I buy the CD's, if I don't like it, poor me.
[15:24]<mjzymygo>In my case it has actually (to my detriment) increased my spending
[15:24]<dyguw>I don't care, I'll go buy another one.
[15:25]<drdyrrr_>i don't tend to download movies because a. they're too big and b. i tend to be less open to different movies than i am different bands.
[15:25]<zyccus>I tend not to watch films more than once, too
[15:25]<drdyrrr_>minux, then you're a sucker.
[15:25]<drdyrrr_>who the fuck wants to pay for crap
[15:25]<dyguw>I buy a DVD, if I don't like it, too bad, I'll go buy another one.
[15:25]<mjzymygo>minux: you must have cash to burn.
[15:25]<drdyrrr_>if i'm buying a shirt i can look at it, try it on, parade in front of a mirror.
[15:25]<dyguw>I don't care damieng_, but it's the right thing to do.
[15:25]<zyccus>minux: I'm sure it's nice to have enough money to do that kind of thing
[15:25]<mjzymygo>I won't buy something unlessI know i will like it
[15:26]<dyguw>I don't have much money, I just save so that I can afford an album or whatever.
[15:26]<drdyrrr_>minux, you've been brainwashed.
[15:26]<mjzymygo>your attitude is the same as buying a sofa because it looks nice, takeing it home and it sucks and then going to buy another sofa
[15:26]<dyguw>If I don't like it I'll just have to save some more money to buy a new one.
[15:26]<drdyrrr_>if the music and film companies want people to buy stuff they've not heard/seen then they should drop their prices at least 50% so we can buy one dud for every good one.
[15:26]<mjzymygo>Minux: your being silly
[15:27]<dyguw>I am not being silly.
[15:27]<zyccus>minux: if I download a couple of tracks on a P2P thing and decide I like them, and buy a few albums (which I do) - how is that morally wrong?
[15:27]<dyguw>It's the way I've been doing things in my entire life, it's the real thing to do.
[15:27]<drdyrrr_>"real thing to do"
[15:27]<mjzymygo>well... those companies have made more cash out of me because of stuff like Torrents than they would have otherwise.
[15:27]<drdyrrr_>copyright has been around less than 200 years.
[15:27]<dyguw>I am not sure wether that is right or wrong rikkus. I think it is wrong to say "people are allowed to download it because they don't have the money" like the bitch said on the radio.
[15:28]<mjzymygo>Minux: in a way I agree.
[15:28]<dyguw>Anyway, times up, I'll have to go help my neighbour again.
[15:28]<drdyrrr_>and what we, the people, gave up some human rights for was to encourage creativity by offering an exclusive window of opportunity for the creator to reap rewards.
[15:28]<dyguw>He's moving and I am ircing when he's gone =)
[15:29]<drdyrrr_>it's not a god given right to own and control what you produce.
[15:29]<zyccus>minux: I agree with that - taking something you don't need (even a copy) just because you can is not morally right IMO, but I don't think it should be a great crime, like it seems to be
[15:29]<mjzymygo>But maybe she is saying "I don't have the money to buy everything, so I won't buy at all. so this way I get to purchase what I know will suite me" just like most other commercial transactions
[15:29]<dyguw>rikkus: It should be a great crime.
[15:29]<dyguw>I love when the police mess things up for pirates and torrent trackers.
[15:29]<zyccus>minux: a greater crime than stealing?
[15:29]<dyguw>rikkus: No, same as stealing.
[15:29]<drdyrrr_>it'll bit the music industry on the ass.
[15:30]<dyguw>Anyway, I really got to go now :)

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