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[01:13]<z1gm1z>sorry, im stumped
[01:15]<z1gm1z>but i like your nick =)
[01:15]<zndy_wjfnz>!seen Xiphoris
[01:15]<sz2yzgrzzsx>Remi_Woler, Xiphoris (n=j@tide503.microsoft.com) last seen was quitting at 19:10:14 (07/06/2006) from ##csharp stating: "Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)"
[01:16]<zndy_wjfnz>Heh, wasn't that the time they made Vista available for download? :p
[01:17]<gfgdggv7w>Xiph posted a pretty hilarious something about the C# compiler today, but I think i'll keep it internal
[01:18]<y-gz>a bug ?
[01:18]<y-gz>:P
[01:18]<zndy_wjfnz>Element61: then why do you make people curious in here? :p
[01:18]<gfgdggv7w>just to taunt you
[01:18]<zndy_wjfnz>you're so mean! O:)
[01:18]<z1gm1z>TELL ME
[01:18]<gfgdggv7w>you have no idea how much I love being here :D
[01:18]<y-gz>i was just about to say to keep internal things internal
[01:18]<y-gz>not raise meh curiosity
[01:19]<zndy_wjfnz>but Element61: do you have still have some bandwith left?
[01:19]<gfgdggv7w>what do you mean, "left" ?
[01:19]<zndy_wjfnz>that is: available for use
[01:19]<gfgdggv7w>i wasn't aware i had any limit to begin with
[01:20]<zndy_wjfnz>everything is limited :) Even 10GbE is capped (at 10GbE)
[01:20]<gfgdggv7w>i don't have any *artifcial* limits that I know about, then
[01:21]<zndy_wjfnz>I thought that since half the world is downloading the dvd images of Vista, the bandwith at MS would be a bit narrow atm :)
[01:21]<gfgdggv7w>most of the MS downloads are hosted off of Akamai, actually
[01:21]<zndy_wjfnz>oh, that isn't something internal?
[01:22]<gfgdggv7w>chances are you never connect to anything that is physically part of MS
[01:22]<zndy_wjfnz>does phoning MS count? :P
[01:23]<jdvgdjgcgd>only when the ms porn sweeps upload your local stash
[01:23]<jdvgdjgcgd>to help fulfill the master plan
[01:24]<zndy_wjfnz>btw: spoken of Vista. Does anyone know if they take feedback? And if so, where?
[01:24]<jdvgdjgcgd>there's a feedback thing in it
[01:25]<kjr>attached to a shock collar
[01:25]<zndy_wjfnz>Jivemonkey: I can't reach that
[01:25]<kjr>ZAP!
[01:25]<jdvgdjgcgd>IE 7 is a monster
[01:25]<gfgdggv7w>a very fast and lean monster
[01:25]<kjr>Jivemonkey: by which you mean "steaming heap of shit?"
[01:25]<jdvgdjgcgd>not in my experience
[01:25]<jdvgdjgcgd>you got IE 7 installed now?
[01:25]<jdvgdjgcgd>here's a test case for ya, see if you get the same behavior as i do
[01:25]<jdvgdjgcgd>http://myspace.com/hacking_myspace
[01:26]<gfgdggv7w>my experience with IE7 b2 (and ONLY b2) has been that it ismuch faster than opera and FF, and uses less memory
[01:26]<gfgdggv7w>releases previous to b2 sucked ass
[01:26]<jdvgdjgcgd>i'm using the preview now
[01:26]<jdvgdjgcgd>and its hanging when dereferencing cross domain resources
[01:26]<gfgdggv7w>the beta 2 preview? as in, not beta 2 final?
[01:26]<gfgdggv7w>that one sucked too
[01:26]<jdvgdjgcgd>crashing at times loading the above mentioned link
[01:26]<kjr>a single window in IE is using 20mb of ram
[01:26]<kjr>REAL lean
[01:26]<gfgdggv7w>it's only beta 2 final which is worth uing
[01:27]<gfgdggv7w>and the myspace link works fine
[01:27]<jdvgdjgcgd>do you see a background image?
[01:27]<gfgdggv7w>yeah
[01:27]<zndy_wjfnz>Kog: Try lynx. It's so lean, if you breathe out, it breaks :p
[01:27]<jdvgdjgcgd>picture of me?
[01:27]<gfgdggv7w>check
[01:27]<jdvgdjgcgd>maybe i have the wrong version installed
[01:27]<kjr>nothing wrong with lynx, although links2 can be nicer
[01:27]<gfgdggv7w>if you have beta 2 preview that's the wrong version
[01:27]<zndy_wjfnz>Kog: just kidding ;)
[01:27]<gfgdggv7w>i couldn't stand using that one
[01:27]<jdvgdjgcgd>do you also have ie6 handy?
[01:28]<jdvgdjgcgd>can you check that link with ie6 also
[01:28]<gfgdggv7w>*sigh* fine
[01:28]<kjr>Remi_Woler: I had to use WGET to get the beta of vista, because IE6 and IE7 aare broken
[01:28]<jdvgdjgcgd>gracias
[01:28]<kjr>Remi_Woler: with FireFox it asked me about downloading, but wouldn't let me
[01:28]<zndy_wjfnz>Kog: IE6 worked fine for me. But wget still owns. I even use it on win32
[01:28]<gfgdggv7w>the page is sized oddly on IE6
[01:28]<gfgdggv7w>but looks fine otherwise
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>can you see the backgroudn image?
[01:29]<kjr>I just opened a screen on my bsd box, wget - ended up coming back and -c'ing it plenty
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>wtf?
[01:29]<kjr>LUNCH
[01:29]<gfgdggv7w>yeah, i can
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>why am i getting totally different results
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>very odd indeed
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>can anyone else confirm what element see's on an IE platform?
[01:29]<zndy_wjfnz>Jivemonkey: I see everything you mentioned too in IE6
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>nuts
[01:29]<zndy_wjfnz>Jivemonkey: Maybe a proxy problem?
[01:29]<jdvgdjgcgd>maybe
[01:32]<zndy_wjfnz>Jivemonkey: that picture of you just makes me wonder... What is on your left side? What are you looking at? :p
[01:32]<jdvgdjgcgd>boobs
[01:32]<zndy_wjfnz>figures
[01:34]<jdvgdjgcgd>you see that longing look in my face
[01:34]<zndy_wjfnz>:)
[01:37]<jrrcrdrg>why aren't there default parameter values in C#?
[01:38]<jdvgdjgcgd>other ways to skin a cat
[01:38]<v2z>make another method minus the parameter you want defaulted and then call the "larger" one with the default value
[01:39]<jrrcrdrg>yeah but that makes for redundant code..
[01:41]<jdvgdjgcgd>nah
[01:41]<v2z>not really
[01:42]<jdvgdjgcgd>public foo(){} public foo( string s ) : this() {} public foo( int j ) : this( "bar" ) {}
[01:42]<v2z>public void Something(int A, /* int B (defaulted) */, int C) { this.Something(A, DEFAULT_B, C); }
[01:47]<jdvgdjgcgd>why not use field initializers for defaults
[01:53]<zndy_wjfnz>public class fooClass { public string foo; public barClass bar = new barClass() } <== how can I access (=write to) 'foo' from within the bar class? All I can find is how to call the parent if you derive or inherit the second class

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