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[02:31]<jrrcrdrg>and find out where the updates are
[02:31]<jrrcrdrg>spend 5 mins downloading and running the update
[02:31]<gfgdggv7w>office is not exactly the pinnacle of ease of use
[02:31]<jrrcrdrg>its the same thing no matter what
[02:32]<txnjzd>package mangement isn't just about finding packages, it's also about having all the other stuff those packages use automatically installed if you don't have it
[02:32]<txnjzd>and having those packages kept up to date for you
[02:32]<jrrcrdrg>i hate to say it but running synaptic and pressing "update" is much easier
[02:32]<gfgdggv7w>also overrated
[02:32]<gfgdggv7w>because packages generally depend on specific versions of other packages anyway
[02:32]<txnjzd>"overrated"?
[02:32]<jrrcrdrg>you sound like one of those windows-only people we were talking about earlier
[02:32]<txnjzd>I'm not talking about what people say
[02:32]<txnjzd>I'm talking about my own personal experiences
[02:32]<gfgdggv7w>so you can't go updating base packages
[02:32]<y-gz>smart is nice to
[02:33]<jrrcrdrg>the point is that updates base pkgs for you..
[02:33]<y-gz>yast was nice too but in suse 10.1 it's kind of a borken
[02:33]<txnjzd>Element61: an example base package you can't update?
[02:33]<gfgdggv7w>don't remember, don't care
[02:34]<gfgdggv7w>oh and you can update Office from the Help menu when it's open
[02:34]<jrrcrdrg>you ever use yum? apt-get?
[02:34]<gfgdggv7w>yes and yes
[02:34]<gfgdggv7w>neither hold a candle to OS
[02:34]<gfgdggv7w>OSX
[02:34]<jrrcrdrg>then how in the hell are you going to tell me its easier to MANUALLY find an update then run "yum update" ???
[02:35]<gfgdggv7w>you ever administered OSX systems?
[02:35]<jrrcrdrg>i dont need to.. your precious mac is bsd under the hood
[02:35]<kjr>JackRyan: or, so they claim
[02:35]<gfgdggv7w>we're not talking about under the hood
[02:35]<gfgdggv7w>we're talking about the userspace
[02:35]<jrrcrdrg>and i never said dragging a package to the applications directory to install it is bad
[02:35]<gfgdggv7w>i've run labs/clusters of Windows, Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu), and OSX
[02:36]<gfgdggv7w>and OSX is by far the easiest
[02:36]<kjr>Element61: pfft
[02:36]<jrrcrdrg>lmao
[02:36]<ygvgzpgzjg>easier than apt-get?
[02:36]<jrrcrdrg>what are you a lab guy? lol
[02:36]<kjr>Element61: I had an OU of several hundred machines... and the OSX were just about the worst
[02:36]<jrrcrdrg>one of those university lab "admins"
[02:36]<zgzzcydjvgev>easier than downloading the latest NSIS installer which always works perfectly?
[02:36]<jrrcrdrg>even rsync..
[02:36]<gfgdggv7w>"lmao" is not a rebuttal idiot
[02:37]<jrrcrdrg>umm
[02:37]<jrrcrdrg>you didnt say anything that required an argument
[02:37]<txnjzd>(n.b. arguing against a mac user claiming macs are superior...well you get my point)
[02:37]<jrrcrdrg>look at me i have this and this experience, therefore i must be right is a fallacy
[02:37]<gfgdggv7w>how about this. We agree to disagree, and you shut the hell up now (I do likewise).
[02:37]<gfgdggv7w>and i'm not a mac user
[02:37]<gfgdggv7w>can't stand the damn things.
[02:37]<jrrcrdrg>lmao
[02:38]<kjr>if it makes you all feel better, I've just been given the most pointless assignment by my boss so far
[02:38]<kjr>I promise it'll entertain
[02:38]<jrrcrdrg>hmm more pointless than testing 5 different phones after a slight code tweak in an unrelated function? do go on
[02:38]<kjr>it involves testing apache's mod_rewrite, to make sure that... it can rewrite!
[02:38]<kjr>to be SURE it can rewrite
[02:38]<zgzzcydjvgev>LOL
[02:38]<txnjzd>lol
[02:39]<jrrcrdrg>as opposed to figuring out how to turn it on?
[02:39]<kjr>because my boss doesn't believe that mod_rewrite can intercept requests and forward them
[02:39]<kjr>it's only for SEO according to him
[02:39]<kjr>"outbound" he says to me
[02:39]<jrrcrdrg>ah.. lol
[02:39]<lrrdrgprg>hah!
[02:39]<jrrcrdrg>just take it man, an easy 5 minute job
[02:39]<kjr>so I says to him, I says: "it can even do HTTP codes"
[02:39]<kjr>and he says "there's no HTTP code for this"
[02:39]<jrrcrdrg>rofl
[02:39]<kjr>so I say "what, 301's don't exist?"
[02:39]<kjr>and now the project is known as Project 301
[02:39]<jrrcrdrg>show the man the RFC :D
[02:40]<kjr>I shit you all not, this is literally what just happened
[02:40]<txnjzd>:-s
[02:40]<jrrcrdrg>i feel you man.. some managers just need to let their employees do the technical stuff
[02:40]<kjr>naw... my manager's just a tad bit on the strange side
[02:40]<zndy_wjfnz>how can I assign a reference to a local field? So that I can change it in other methods, and the reference would still update the main value?
[02:40]<kjr>funnily enough - he's only incompetent at tech stuff (and he's the IT manager). he can be a smart guy in other places
[02:40]<kjr>"IT" manager
[02:41]<kjr>Remi_Woler: ref
[02:41]<jrrcrdrg>Remi_Woler: in your function signature put ...... int foo (ref int bar, ...)
[02:41]<jrrcrdrg>Remi_Woler: and if you want to pass in uninitialized values use "out" instead of "ref"
[02:42]<kjr>I knew there had to be a point to "out"
[02:42]<jrrcrdrg>heh
[02:42]<jrrcrdrg>seems useless dont it?
[02:42]<kjr>never needed it myself
[02:42]<kjr>but then.. I rarely need most of those hackish little features
[02:42]<jrrcrdrg>kind of like needing to use "overrides" when you're overriding a function
[02:43]<zndy_wjfnz>JackRyan: I know the out/ref part. But @ your first line: would setting this.foo to some value update the reference? Even if the reference goes to outside the class?
[02:43]<kjr>JackRyan: functions? FUNCTIONS? pfft, we don't use functions
[02:43]<jrrcrdrg>psh, methods man, lol
[02:43]<kjr>and I'm not Method Man, that's someone else
[02:43]<kjr>;)
[02:43]<jrrcrdrg>Remi_Woler: hmmm ? int foo(ref int bar) { bar = 6; }
[02:44]<jrrcrdrg>Remi_Woler: int joe = 7; foo(ref joe); .......... joe is now 6
[02:44]<jrrcrdrg>Remi_Woler: and if you wanted to update a class variable you could pass that into the method
[02:45]<jrrcrdrg>just cause they're inside a class people need to call functions something else, heh
[02:45]<kjr>I'd stay and educate, but I'm busy with my disbelief capacity at the moment... sorry
[02:45]<kjr>I need to go find a sharp object and shove it through my neck or something
[02:45]<zndy_wjfnz>JackRyan: I need to update a field in the calling class somehow. Like this: (in a class) this.foo = new barClass(ref this.bar); }} public class barClass { public method changeFoo() { this.foo = 10 } public barClass(ref int foo) { this.foo [copy reference] foo; }}}
[02:46]<jrrcrdrg>hmm
[02:46]<zndy_wjfnz>JackRyan: so that in the end, this.foo (in the main class) would be 10; (shouldn't have used foo twice, sorry for the confusion)

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