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[08:54]<txn_tyac>+I'm not doing sql 2k5
[08:54]<znmnzz>+nor office?
[08:54]<znmnzz>+nor winzip?
[08:54]<znmnzz>+nor anything else?
[08:54]<txn_tyac>+office is already in
[08:54]<znmnzz>+okay then yeah, shouldn't take too long
[08:54]<txn_tyac>+I use izarc instead of winzip, but it's in
[08:54]<txn_tyac>+the 16 year old windows loverboy in #joiito recommended it to me
[08:54]<txn_tyac>+I forget his nick
[08:54]<zgzzcydjvgev>+WinAce ftw
[08:54]<txn_tyac>+but it's good
[08:55]<znmnzz>+what's the url for Attack Of The Show
[08:55]<znmnzz>+if i may ask?
[08:55]<txn_tyac>+better than ace and winzip
[08:55]<znmnzz>+oh it's a g4 show
[08:55]<znmnzz>+sorry we canucks don't have cable brands like G4
[08:55]<znmnzz>+now i see
[08:55]<znmnzz>+maybe we do, i don't watch tv though
[08:55]<txn_tyac>+redear: g4 is just a bunch of fake podcasters anyhow
[08:55]<txn_tyac>+I saw it once, wasn't impressed
[08:56]<znmnzz>+Kiryn: osx for non apple pcs eh?
[08:56]<kdzdg>+yup
[08:56]<znmnzz>+how interesting
[08:56]<txn_tyac>+Kiryn: did they quote their sources
[08:56]<txn_tyac>+?
[08:57]<kdzdg>+you know the apple slogon "Think different" thats why they did it
[08:57]<rgvjgys`>-hi
[08:58]<rgvjgys`>-how can i run a website from a server side, for client not too see
[08:58]<rgvjgys`>-or encrypt the query string
[08:58]<rgvjgys`>-?
[08:59]<znmnzz>+antonis: login screen, do password challenges, either windows authentication, custom authentication, or whatever
[08:59]<rgvjgys`>-?
[08:59]<znmnzz>+*shrug* i can't find any references to what you say Kiryn
[08:59]<znmnzz>+just have to take your word for it
[08:59]<kdzdg>+hold on
[09:00]<znmnzz>+hey i trust you, no worries
[09:00]<kdzdg>+read this
[09:00]<kdzdg>+http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/os/0,39024180,39235916,00.htm
[09:01]<znmnzz>+Kiryn: oh most mac heads are aware of this set up Kiryn
[09:02]<znmnzz>+i thought you meant apple selling supported mac os x for intel pcs in general
[09:02]<znmnzz>+i might be wrong but they still haven't done that
[09:02]<kdzdg>+they will be releasing the appl osx for non-apple machines meaning intel machines. its in development
[09:03]<znmnzz>+oh
[09:04]<znmnzz>+everything this 2005 article said came true
[09:04]<znmnzz>+mac os x came oout on intel
[09:04]<znmnzz>+but sort of tweaked to only work on apple-branded pcs
[09:05]<znmnzz>+and work-arounds/hacks were made by some programmers to make it work on generic pcs that fit certain requirements
[09:05]<znmnzz>+but you don't get support
[09:05]<znmnzz>+for running that
[09:05]<txn_tyac>+and you're violating the license in doing so, heh
[09:05]<znmnzz>+that's why most people buy macbook
[09:05]<kdzdg>+who cares
[09:05]<znmnzz>+cheap, powerful, best of class budget notebook
[09:05]<znmnzz>+and compiles to three platforms
[09:06]<znmnzz>+perfect college sidekick
[09:06]<kdzdg>+o doubt anyone would actually give a fuck about violating the law
[09:06]<txn_tyac>+well until you get caught
[09:07]<rgvjgys`>-so how is it possible to run a website from server site, particulary i want to make a auto payment for e-gold
[09:07]<kdzdg>+how you gonna get caught?
[09:07]<rgvjgys`>-witch requires open a link with the e-gold.com?<all info here>
[09:07]<txn_tyac>+antonis`: if anyone knew you would already have the answer
[09:08]<txn_tyac>+Kiryn: dunno
[09:09]<txn_tyac>+but it's still a valid point
[09:09]<kdzdg>+the only way you would ever get caught for piracy, hacking is if you tell someone or you sell evidence of it
[09:10]<znmnzz_>-you ar eboth right
[09:11]<znmnzz_>-the business case of developing three platform is where things really break down
[09:11]<kdzdg>+i know :)
[09:11]<txn_tyac>+or if you get audited
[09:11]<znmnzz_>-ideally you would code for objc+cocoa on mac os x intel/ppc
[09:11]<znmnzz_>-and mfc/wtl on windows
[09:11]<znmnzz_>-and it would be native, great, fantastic, yadda yadda
[09:12]<txn_tyac>+and $toolkit_of_the_month on linux
[09:12]<znmnzz_>-with maybe qt + c++ or something like that for the backend business logic
[09:12]<znmnzz_>-that's learning three toolkits
[09:12]<znmnzz_>-and sort of two languages
[09:12]<znmnzz_>-it's hard to hire people like that
[09:12]<znmnzz_>-genuinely experts at two major platform
[09:12]<txn_tyac>+oh, and webobjects
[09:12]<zgzzcydjvgev>+heh
[09:12]<txn_tyac>+and asp
[09:13]<txn_tyac>+and python and ruby and rails and brainfuck
[09:13]<znmnzz_>-oh yes, brainfuck is a must
[09:13]<znmnzz_>-12 years of brainfuck
[09:13]<txn_tyac>+heh
[09:13]<znmnzz_>-and 20 years of .net framework 3.0
[09:13]<txn_tyac>+30 years of c
[09:13]<znmnzz_>-and 30 years of java 1.5 please
[09:13]<txn_tyac>+haha
[09:13]<txn_tyac>+I almost submitted a resume with all of that once
[09:13]<txn_tyac>+as a joke
[09:14]<txn_tyac>+then they called me about a job offer for something else :P
[09:14]<zgzzcydjvgev>+lol
[09:14]<txn_tyac>+ugh
[09:14]<zgzzcydjvgev>+ok
[09:14]<zgzzcydjvgev>+on a more serious note:
[09:14]<txn_tyac>+this install doesn't have a pause button either
[09:14]<zgzzcydjvgev>+anyone here good at creating/designing algorithms?
[09:14]<zgzzcydjvgev>+not specific math stuff but general programming stuff
[09:15]<zgzzcydjvgev>+i'm trying to come up with a stack algorithm for the MUSE.NET project, a stack of "Change" objects
[09:15]<zgzzcydjvgev>+each change object represents a specific byte or string of bytes modified

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