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[09:26]<dnscr>+AnarkiNet god you are without arguments
[09:26]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+or use NSIS from what I heard is excellent
[09:27]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+
ACTION taps on meska's head and hears echos

[09:27]<zgzzcygnv>+theres no reason to use publish at all
[09:28]<zgzzcygnv>+it fails to even work without a stupendous amount of effort
[09:28]<dnscr>+and talking about iis and file shares
[09:28]<dnscr>+put it on a file share, and make it available through apache
[09:28]<zgzzcygnv>+...
[09:28]<dnscr>+and no need for iis
[09:28]<zgzzcygnv>+meska you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about
[09:28]<zgzzcygnv>+seriously
[09:28]<dnscr>+build->publish, no?
[09:28]<zgzzcygnv>+when you publish, it creates a bunch of files that IIS needs to serve as like a web service
[09:28]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+i just need this : http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8131/untitled3ot.jpg
[09:29]<zgzzcygnv>+and the application is installed like from the browser
[09:29]<zgzzcygnv>+which is why its garbage
[09:30]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+meska, you don't have no arguments and can't help your own defense
[09:30]<zgzzcygnv>+NSIS is superior to installshield
[09:30]<dnscr>+KirynDotNet just a minute...
[09:30]<zgzzcygnv>+because installshield extracts everything BEFORE the installation starts
[09:30]<zgzzcygnv>+NSIS only extracts whats selected for install
[09:31]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+how long does it take to learn NSIS?
[09:31]<zgzzcygnv>+not long
[09:31]<zgzzcygnv>+its got an extensive documentation file
[09:31]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+can you make cd/dvd setup files with NSIS?
[09:31]<zgzzcygnv>+and theres a wiki for it on the nsis homepage
[09:32]<zgzzcygnv>+thats not what its for
[09:32]<zgzzcygnv>+you can make a program that can be made to be run automatically but you need autorun-CD authoring tools
[09:32]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+you can do that with ISS
[09:33]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+hey ill give it a shot, no harm in trying
[09:35]<kdzdgdjvgnv>+looks like ASM and C together
[09:37]<zgzzcygnv>+yeah
[09:37]<zgzzcygnv>+its completely bizzare
[09:41]<dnscr>+ok, my mistake, works ok only with filesharing =)
[10:39]<cu2rzdrdugv>+does anybody know how to detect MouseEnter/Leave event on WebBrowser object ?
[11:25]<snnsxzzl>-hey all!
[11:25]<kdzdg>+Hellwo
[11:25]<snnsxzzl>-question > can we totally avoid the need of multi-threading by 'interactive with everything' asynchronously ?
[11:26]<kdzdg>+Like in Networking?
[11:26]<snnsxzzl>-interacting*
[11:26]<zgzzcygnv>+no
[11:26]<zgzzcygnv>+you never avoid threading
[11:26]<zgzzcygnv>+asynch sockets for example just manage the threading for you
[11:26]<zgzzcygnv>+theres still multithreading being done under the hood
[11:26]<snnsxzzl>-hmm i see.
[11:26]<kdzdg>+oh i don't want to use threading but I know I will have to use it right?
[11:27]<zgzzcygnv>+threading is easy
[11:27]<kdzdg>+AnarkiNet, in order to use Networking you have to know threading and delegates right
[11:27]<snnsxzzl>-So, how about other areas ? are there asynchronou counter-parts to every synchronous operation ?
[11:28]<zgzzcygnv>+SeeSharp not really
[11:28]<zgzzcygnv>+youre going to have to use them at some point
[11:28]<snnsxzzl>-ok
[11:28]<kdzdg>+but what about mine?
[11:28]<mrryffr>+I'm crap at threading, but I like it.
[11:28]<mrryffr>+
ACTION is an SMP addict

[11:29]<zgzzcygnv>+its a good thing to learn, anyway, Kiryn
[11:29]<zgzzcygnv>+learning how threading works helps you understand how your application is working, how your computer is working, etc
[11:29]<zgzzcygnv>+which makes you a better programmer
[11:29]<snnsxzzl>-i see.
[11:29]<zgzzcygnv>+'cause programming is only 10% language
[11:29]<kdzdg>+yeah I know but I want to avoid it as much as possible until I know I'm forced to use it in that ceertain situation
[11:29]<zgzzcygnv>+the rest is logic and problem solving
[11:30]<kdzdg>+if you have trouble problem solving you will have trouble learning
[11:30]<kdzdg>+Well with me, i have to have it explain in simplest terms to understand :P
[11:31]<kdzdg>+im slow :(
[11:31]<snnsxzzl>-but , suppose i am writing a chat system which will be stressed like 1000 people minimum at any given time. So, if i create a whole lot of worker threads, wont it be overhead ? compared to asynchronous methods ?
[11:31]<zgzzcygnv>+no
[11:31]<zgzzcygnv>+asynch methods are using multiple threads too
[11:31]<mrryffr>+Quick question: You've convinced me not to use "Publish". What is the best way to export/compile the components to use them with another installer?
[11:31]<snnsxzzl>-oh yea
[11:32]<zgzzcygnv>+but synchronus (eg you manage the threads) is usually better, because you have more control
[11:32]<zgzzcygnv>+Magilla - http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
[11:32]<snnsxzzl>-hmm, i get it, AnarkiNet
[11:32]<kdzdg>+Magilla just compile as release and group them in a folder and use the installer to help you sort them
[11:33]<zgzzcygnv>+SeeSharp its like Assembly language...people who do things right can write programs which perform better than C/C++ equiv (even though its all native code) because they know how to "play" the computer better than a compiler can
[11:33]<zgzzcygnv>+a compiler only is able to optimize the code it sees, in an algorithmic way
[11:33]<kdzdg>+i want to learn asm but its boring to learn :P
[11:33]<zgzzcygnv>+a human is able to intelligently design something to be faster
[11:33]<kdzdg>+imho
[11:33]<zgzzcygnv>+it is very tedious
[11:34]<mrryffr>+Kiryn: "Compile as Release"? I have "Build Solution" - same thing?
[11:34]<kdzdg>+yes but it is a great advantage to learn
[11:34]<mrryffr>+
ACTION has done Java assembly

[11:34]<kdzdg>+ok you see Debug at the top?
[11:34]<mrryffr>+nasty nasty crap
[11:34]<mrryffr>+yep
[11:34]<kdzdg>+change it to Release
[11:34]<kdzdg>+aand build it
[11:35]<mrryffr>+wait, you mean the Debug menu?
[11:35]<zgzzcygnv>+no
[11:35]<kdzdg>+Magilla, check and see when you create a new project look for Setup Project
[11:36]<kdzdg>+w00t OSX :P
[11:36]<mrryffr>+sif w00t OSX ;P
[11:36]<kdzdg>+:P
[11:36]<kdzdg>+brb Magilla
[11:36]<mrryffr>+ok
[11:36]<mrryffr>+optimus ~
[11:37]<snnsxzzl>-i know a some assembly.. not programming wise. Learnt it back when i wanted to reverse engineer protections for educational purposes :p
[11:37]<zgzzcygnv>+i think XSD is harder than ASM -_-

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