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[23:05]<kdzdgdjvgnv>why not the ansi C++?
[23:05]<sdnffdxdlld><3 APress
[23:06]<mjzymygo>'cos I wanna mess with C++ again and it's now integrated into the CLR rel REAL nicely now..
[23:07]<jjxgdjn6n1>Cpp/CLI is not Cpp ;)
[23:07]<svzz[wjzc]>Question : Is it any possible to set a value without triggerring it's attached event(s) for instance... change a BindingSource.Position without having the BindingSource.PositionChanged event fired ?
[23:07]<mjzymygo>john: yes it is
[23:08]<jjxgdjn6n1>are you serious
[23:08]<mjzymygo>John: ok, why isn't it C++?
[23:08]<jjxgdjn6n1>because they are completely different standards?
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[23:08]<sdnffdxdlld>JohnDoe793, how is c++/cli not an implimentation of the c++ standard?
[23:08]<kdzdgdjvgnv>It is but is not the standards and I want to learn it cause the gui for ansi C++ sucks
[23:09]<jjxgdjn6n1>wtf?
[23:09]<mjzymygo>erm dude, C++/CLI is an extension of the standard
[23:09]<jjxgdjn6n1>if A inherits from B, then is A == B?
[23:09]<jjxgdjn6n1>did you people fail your discrete math?
[23:09]<kdzdgdjvgnv>JohnDoe793, its completely diifferent in alot of ways
[23:09]<jjxgdjn6n1>set A is not set B if set A is a proper subset of set B
[23:13]<dyguw>A "table" class, what is the best way to store cells? In a list of rows where each row list contains a list of columns or in a Cell[] array?
[23:13]<mjzymygo>JohnDoe: what has 'if A inherits from B, then is A == B' and 'did you people fail your discrete math' got to do with the price of fish?
[23:14]<jjxgdjn6n1>FISH? what the hell are you talking about
[23:14]<jjxgdjn6n1>do you not see the analogy? Cpp/CLI runs native Cpp just fine, but native Cpp does not run Cpp/CLI just fine
[23:14]<mjzymygo>astract metaphore... do you understand it?
[23:15]<kjr>it's not an extension, it's a new standard
[23:15]<kjr>the syntax is similar
[23:15]<kjr>it supercedes the old ISO
[23:15]<sdnffdxdlld>lo kog :)
[23:15]<jjxgdjn6n1>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set
[23:16]<kjr>smellyhippy: whattup
[23:16]<sdnffdxdlld>just chillin
[23:16]<jjxgdjn6n1>by contrast, MCpp is a proprietary extension
[23:17]<kjr>JohnDoe793: wait, so your assertion is to use set theory as a model and claim that if A inherits B it's a superset of B?
[23:17]<kjr>and/or a proper subset
[23:18]<jjxgdjn6n1>umm... wha
[23:18]<jjxgdjn6n1>you're kidding right
[23:18]<mjzymygo>hmm... thats strange, so the specification is lying about it being an extension to the standard C++ ?
[23:18]<jjxgdjn6n1>Moridin8: dont confuse Cpp/CLI with MCpp
[23:19]<mjzymygo>JohnDoe: i'm not
[23:19]<zgzzcygnv>this is why i dont like C++
[23:19]<jjxgdjn6n1>Cpp/CLI is an ECMA standard on the way becoming ISO
[23:19]<zgzzcygnv>its not standardized
[23:19]<jjxgdjn6n1>MCpp is just some crap thrown together
[23:19]<kjr>JohnDoe793: was that your assertion?
[23:20]<zgzzcygnv>i dont care if a specific "extension" of C++ is an ISO/ECMA standard, the fact that there are so many "versions" of C++ means its poorly organized
[23:20]<mjzymygo>I come from a C++ background... I hated MCpp, so I stuck with C# because I like the framework
[23:20]<jjxgdjn6n1>Kog: yes..
[23:20]<jjxgdjn6n1>i havent seen other extensions that were ECMA standards heh
[23:20]<kjr>dunno that it's necessarily a set or a bag, I suppose it could be a collection of bags
[23:20]<kjr>no wait, sets... sorry
[23:21]<zgzzcygnv>i like C# because theres "one" C# language
[23:21]<kjr>it's not intrinsicly ordered, so it wouldn't be a bag
[23:21]<zgzzcygnv>not 10 which each change different things but preserve the same name
[23:21]<kjr>AnarkiNet: some dude in here was trying to get me to try common lisp yesterday... that was a treat
[23:21]<y-gz`juv>what happened with your app in lisp then ? :)
[23:21]<jjxgdjn6n1>haha
[23:21]<y-gz`juv>u said u will give it a try
[23:21]<jjxgdjn6n1>hes back
[23:21]<zgzzcygnv>i think ASM is worse than C++ though
[23:22]<kjr>i-nZ`out: the fucking runtime is braindead
[23:22]<jjxgdjn6n1>AnarkiNet: and you'd be insane if you didnt
[23:22]<zgzzcygnv>theres like Intel syntax, AT&T syntax, then theres different syntax for each compiler
[23:22]<zgzzcygnv>and its all for the same architecture
[23:22]<kjr>i-nZ`out: for the free copy, you can either get the license from their broken installer, or from the email which omitts the link
[23:22]<kjr>i-nZ`out: and for the free version you can't request a new license because the old version had an incorrect license
[23:22]<kjr>how a free version has an incorrect license...
[23:25]<zgzzcygnv>er, is C# case sensitive with the access modifiers?
[23:26]<zgzzcygnv>eg is Public valid the same as "public" ?
[23:26]<sdnffdxdlld>afaik c# is compleatly case sensitive
[23:27]<zgzzcygnv>ok
[23:29]<jjxgdjn6n1>dont think it understands Public
[23:31]<dyguw>AnarkiNet: C# is case sensitive about everything.
[23:33]<mjzymygo>Kog: heard you finally became the rooms official owner...
[23:34]<kjr>Moridin8: have been for about a year
[23:34]<-- syzzzyus xzs puyv>http://www.bagdadsoftware.de")
[23:35]<mjzymygo>yeh, but the cloaking system just did.. ;)
[23:35]<mjzymygo>Any chance if I stroke you the right way I can get a cloak? ;)
[23:37]<kjr>phone
[23:37]<sdnffdxdlld>lamp
[23:37]<mjzymygo>Table
[23:38]<-- svgvsdyzgjvr xrs>/dev/null")
[23:38]<zgzzcygnv>chair
[23:38]<sdnffdxdlld>with a capital T no less
[23:38]<sdnffdxdlld>lower case c? just not good enough dude
[23:38]<zgzzcygnv>st00l
[23:38]<zgzzcygnv>leet > capital T
[23:38]<mjzymygo>tABLE
[23:38]<sdnffdxdlld>stool > you :P
[23:39]<kjr>sorry... was on the phone w/ headhunters
[23:40]<kjr>apparently the guy who phone interviewed me was sufficiently wowed
[23:40]<sdnffdxdlld>always a good thing :)
[23:40]<mjzymygo>totally.
[23:40]<kjr>smellyhippy: he was actually floored
[23:40]<sdnffdxdlld>:D
[23:40]<zgzzcygnv>no its not a good thing!
[23:40]<kjr>smellyhippy: he wants me in on monday, for 4-5 hours of interviews
[23:40]<zgzzcygnv>Kog is stealing my job! rofl
[23:40]<dyguw>What do you think about a 10" laptop from Fujitsu Siemens or should I pick a 12" from Lenovo?
[23:40]<kjr>AnarkiNet: why, because I'm taking a job you won't have? heh
[23:40]<sdnffdxdlld>lol
[23:40]<mjzymygo>so kog: ;) any chance of a cloak? ;)

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