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[03:00]<jjxgdjn1o9>-Kog: yeah ok man, python is way better than perl
[03:00]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: that being said, the better BT clients aren't written in PYthon
[03:00]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: the #1 BT client is written in Java
[03:00]<jjxgdjn1o9>-subjective
[03:00]<kjr>+no, it's the most widely used client
[03:00]<eg->-its why BT is so slow
[03:00]<eg->-:)
[03:00]<jjxgdjn1o9>-that doesnt make it #1, that makes it #1 popular
[03:00]<eg->-I can make a #1 client in c# easy
[03:00]<y-gz>+azerius is a bloated peace of software
[03:00]<eg->-just stick rotating porn on it
[03:00]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: I was referring in terms of popularity
[03:00]<y-gz>+*azureus
[03:00]<eg->-showing the user porn while you download
[03:01]<kjr>+i-nZ: it isn't too bad
[03:01]<jjxgdjn1o9>-zn-: no but trackers using python *are* slower than C trackers
[03:01]<eg->-I could make even make a ruby one more popular if I had that! :)
[03:01]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: also, portage isn't going to be written in Python for much longer
[03:01]<eg->-no shit man
[03:01]<y-gz>+i like that Opera has bittorrent downloading built in in 9.0 :)
[03:01]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: which was the other large application
[03:01]<eg->-c's been around for 30 years you'd think its optimized by now :)
[03:01]<kjr>+so... it looks like the Grid is the only serious project using Python
[03:01]<ygvgzpgzjg>+portage should be removed from existence
[03:01]<ygvgzpgzjg>+and all of gentoo with it
[03:01]<jjxgdjn1o9>-yum, yumex is written in python
[03:01]<kjr>+oh, because Yum isn't a piece of shit
[03:01]<ygvgzpgzjg>+Kog, google does nearly everything in python
[03:01]<y-gz>+smart is written in python/gtk+
[03:01]<ygvgzpgzjg>+apt-get, apt-get, apt-get
[03:01]<kjr>+apt-get is written in python?
[03:02]<jjxgdjn1o9>-yeah ok, yum sucks sooo much its why its official in fedora
[03:02]<kjr>+coulda sworn that was C++
[03:02]<ygvgzpgzjg>+Kog, no, that's an unrelated chant
[03:02]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: ah yes, Fedora Core, the only distro where GCC is OPTIONAL
[03:02]<ygvgzpgzjg>+Kog, you're correct
[03:02]<rxrcr>-people still use azureus? I thought μtorrent was taking over.
[03:02]<mdsvyrmrg>-wow, distro wars in ##csharp
[03:02]<zj2-wzc>-blah, Team System Process Templates are pissing me off. Error logging gives a lot of information, but nothing about what it means or what is wrong
[03:02]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: don't even bring that piece of shit into this conversation
[03:02]<jjxgdjn1o9>-Kog: ah yes, ubuntu, the only distro where GCC ISNT INSTALLED
[03:02]<kjr>+MysticMan: language wars
[03:02]<eg->-yeah english wins
[03:02]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: Ubuntu doesn't count as a distro ;)
[03:02]<jjxgdjn1o9>-lmao
[03:02]<ygvgzpgzjg>+why not?
[03:02]<y-gz>+for a desktop user GCC MUST BE OPTIONAL
[03:02]<kjr>+let's get back to the point: programming languages
[03:02]<mdsvyrmrg>-yea language wars have descended into distro wards
[03:03]<y-gz>+C# FTW! :)
[03:03]<mdsvyrmrg>-wars too
[03:03]<kjr>+python is commonly used by people who want to prototype
[03:03]<jjxgdjn1o9>-its pointless to install gcc on your grandma's computer
[03:03]<kjr>+can we agree on that?
[03:03]<jjxgdjn1o9>-yeah you're probably right
[03:03]<kjr>+Ruby, however is not
[03:03]<kjr>+although, conceivably it could
[03:03]<y-gz>+could I possibly ask by what people is LISP used ?: p
[03:03]<kjr>+i-nZ: AI
[03:03]<ygvgzpgzjg>+i-nZ, me!
[03:04]<y-gz>+interferon: do you also you emacs?
[03:04]<eg->-people in edu's
[03:04]<ygvgzpgzjg>+i-nZ, yep
[03:04]<kjr>+interferon: I knew I dispised you for a reason ;)
[03:04]<eg->-people in edu's taught about how krad LISP is
[03:04]<jjxgdjn1o9>-vim for me
[03:04]<y-gz>+interferon: have you managed to hack on the hideshow mode to work with #region / #endregion ?
[03:04]<eg->-jove for me
[03:04]<kjr>+zn-: yeah... I once was forced to learn Scheme
[03:04]<ygvgzpgzjg>+i-nZ, no, but i've only been using c# for two weeks. sooner or later, i'll get annoyed enough about it to fix it :)
[03:04]<eg->-sorry but lisp and scheme in production apps I just don't see
[03:05]<ygvgzpgzjg>+scheme and lisp are very different
[03:05]<jjxgdjn1o9>-wait a second, so nobody knows how to get the subscribed thread to handle an event response?
[03:05]<kjr>+zn-: I hope not, if I ever find Scheme again I'm going to assassinate whoever wrote the app
[03:05]<kjr>+interferon: scheme is a descendent of lisp
[03:05]<kjr>+JohnDoe384: ?
[03:05]<rxrcr>-the game Abuse used lisp extensively
[03:05]<eg->-the only people talking about lisp or scheme are people in college, or straight out of it
[03:05]<ygvgzpgzjg>+Kog, no kidding. but scheme and common lisp have utterly different pholosophies
[03:05]<kjr>+chaka: are you joking?
[03:05]<ygvgzpgzjg>+philo...
[03:05]<kjr>+chaka: damnit, you ruined Abuse for me
[03:05]<rxrcr>-Kog, no.
[03:05]<kjr>+
ACTION goes and removes some software

[03:05]<rxrcr>-Kog, sorry :)
[03:05]<jjxgdjn1o9>-abuse was written in sdl
[03:05]<kjr>+no you aren't
[03:06]<ygvgzpgzjg>+scheme is designed for teaching, common lisp is designed for real-world use - it's just that no one realizes it
[03:06]<kjr>+why the hell would you write a game in lisp
[03:06]<eg->-why teach it? You'll never use it :)
[03:06]<kjr>+zn-: I preferred Haskell myself
[03:06]<ygvgzpgzjg>+because it's elegant
[03:06]<ygvgzpgzjg>+and simple
[03:06]<jjxgdjn1o9>-cause you can?
[03:06]<kjr>+zn-: Haskell is my functional language of choice
[03:06]<jjxgdjn1o9>-better to learn a real programming language when writing algorithms than a fake one
[03:06]<gnwrav>-hey all, I have a problem with a toolStrip bar, I've added my button to it, added the image to the button, set the correct size... and my image is resized.. here's an example: http://nexode.org/stuff/img.gif
[03:06]<kjr>+interferon: elegent compared to Haskell?
[03:06]<ygvgzpgzjg>+Kog, imho

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