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[18:56]<mjzymygo>linked to a couple of 4000's
[18:56]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>you probably are confusing it with the code/core wars programs
[18:57]<mjzymygo>nope.
[18:57]<mjzymygo>hang on...
[18:57]<mjzymygo>yeh, you might be right.
[18:57]<mjzymygo>damn long time ago
[18:57]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>well if you check the history books you'll see Pathogen and Queeg were the first discovered polymorphic viruses.
[18:57]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>written by a guy I knew, Chris Pile, who went to prison for them.
[18:57]<mjzymygo>damieng-work: oh, god this was a proof, it was never released in the wild... total sand box
[18:58]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>but core wars used to do all sorts of xor/rebuild tricks after it got hit by other programs in memory
[18:58]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War
[19:01]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>http://www.soci.niu.edu/~crypt/other/pyle.htm
[19:01]<mjzymygo>wow... so he *actually* released the virus?
[19:02]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>well first he released SMEG which took your x86 code and mutated it
[19:02]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>which made it damned hard to detect.
[19:02]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>then released two viruses that used it.
[19:03]<mjzymygo>idiot...
[19:03]<mjzymygo>I've only ever done sand-box virus work.
[19:03]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>hardly, the guy is very intelligent. what he was is very depressed.
[19:04]<mjzymygo>depression != warrant_to_release_virus
[19:04]<mjzymygo>release_virus == idiot
[19:04]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>even after he got out he was being denied stuff like lorry driving because of his criminal record.
[19:04]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>Moridin8 he wrote a hell of a lot of good freeware/shareware before that.
[19:04]<mjzymygo>I don't doubt his ability
[19:04]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>but could never get a programming job
[19:04]<mjzymygo>I don't doubt he's a nice guy
[19:05]<mjzymygo>but no matter how you look at it...
[19:05]<mjzymygo>Virus_Release == dumb
[19:05]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>the crunch point was when a friend of his and himself both went to talk to a uk games house... and his mate got offered a job based on a small demo and chris got a rejection despite his "demo" being a complete cp/m style os written from scratch.
[19:05]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>in asm.
[19:06]<mjzymygo>thats a total suck...
[19:06]<mjzymygo>but I have found that potential employers, if your better than them will feel intimidated and won;t employ...
[19:06]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>so while yes, writing a virus is a very bad move, it's at least possible to see where the motivation came from.
[19:07]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>well i remember talking to him about 6-8 months after he got out of prison and he'd been denied job after job... for things like driving lorries. because he had a criminal conviction.
[19:07]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>lost contact with him not long after that.
[19:08]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>he pretty much disappeared. pulled down his homepages etc.
[19:08]<fyfuym-syfggag>fsck copying 30gb of data to usb is slow
[19:08]<fyfuym-syfggag>FFs
[19:08]<mjzymygo> not in the least bit suprised
[19:09]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/defender/ was what he shold have done after the failed job interview.
[19:09]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: what happened?
[19:09]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>alas, he did it much later afaik
[19:09]<fyfuym-syfggag>who is this in question?
[19:09]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>Chris Pile
[19:09]<fyfuym-syfggag>wtf is he?
[19:09]<fyfuym-syfggag>lol
[19:10]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>author of the worlds first polymorphic viruses.
[19:10]<fyfuym-syfggag>sorry excuse my ignorance
[19:10]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>circa early 90's
[19:10]<fyfuym-syfggag>ah
[19:10]<fyfuym-syfggag>so here I sit
[19:10]<fyfuym-syfggag>copying data via usb
[19:10]<mjzymygo>more accurately... the first released into the wild
[19:10]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>probably single handedly killed off about half the anti-virus tools at the time i think
[19:10]<mjzymygo>because nm what damieng says i've seen a proof in a sandbox
[19:11]<fyfuym-syfggag>who of you actually use linux as your OS here?
[19:11]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>up to that point any joe could sig match
[19:11]<zyccus>http://rikkus.info/public/found_pc.png <- interesting effect of adding a 2nd processor to a vmware machine... it works nicely
[19:11]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>Moridin8 I stand by what I said.
[19:11]<mjzymygo>=)
[19:11]<mjzymygo>cool for you
[19:11]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>The worlds first X is always where the world first saw it.
[19:11]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: :D
[19:11]<fyfuym-syfggag>sup homie
[19:12]<mjzymygo>not too bad.
[19:12]<fyfuym-syfggag>cool cool
[19:12]<mjzymygo>trying hard to motivate myself to fix something broken by a contract developer who was paid a little more than me per hour...
[19:13]<mjzymygo>damieng-work ?
[19:13]<fyfuym-syfggag>only another 20gb to go
[19:13]<dzdyzzz-wjzc>just joking. was doing the whistling-to-myself wasn't-me thing
[19:13]<fyfuym-syfggag>rikkus: you have me on ignore?
[19:14]<fyfuym-syfggag>:P
[19:14]<fyfuym-syfggag>I guess so
[19:14]<fyfuym-syfggag>heh
[19:14]<mjzymygo>hehe
[19:14]<fyfuym-syfggag>lol
[19:15]<fyfuym-syfggag>rikkus: why do you have me on ignore
[19:15]<mjzymygo>rikkus: you have Liquid-Silence on ignore?
[19:15]<fyfuym-syfggag>lol
[19:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>fark knows why
[19:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>maybe my nick is too long
[19:16]<zyccus>Moridin8: I think so yes... I presume that's who you're talking to then
[19:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>he does not like long nicks
[19:16]<lyfuym-wjzc>rikkus: why do you have me on ignore?
[19:16]<mjzymygo> <Liquid-Work> rikkus: why do you have me on ignore?
[19:16]<mjzymygo>*lol*
[19:16]<lyfuym-wjzc>w00t
[19:16]<lyfuym-wjzc>snap!
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>Moridin8: when are you going on holiday
[19:17]<mjzymygo>Liquid-Work: been... come back...
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>ah
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>sweet man
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>you enjoy it?
[19:17]<mjzymygo>yeh... until I came back
[19:17]<sdnffdxdlld>be back in 30 mins
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>back to me being on ignore
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>smippy!@
[19:17]<lyfuym-wjzc>SpikeLite: msdn threading
[19:17]<mjzymygo>rikkus: why you got liquid on ignore?
[19:18]<lyfuym-wjzc>does he have all my nicks on ignore?

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