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[14:21]<zyccus>Moridin8: we couldn't figure out what they might have done in terms of setting domain policies... but they're going to have a dedicated 'server' available for us soon, so we can stick the app on there. If they don't apply their domain policies to it, perhaps our app will work!
[14:21]<mjzymygo>rikkus: ;) sounds good
[14:22]<mjzymygo>I assume it works fine on your own test domains?
[14:22]<zyccus>works fine on probably 40 installations, a few at ours (on various OSes) and at other companies
[14:23]<mjzymygo>then it should be cool...
[14:23]<mjzymygo>just ensure they keep their grubby mits off the the policies ;)
[14:23]<zyccus>well, I say 'works fine' - I mean 'works fine once we can find ways around the various exciting permissions lockdowns that companies like to do'
[14:23]<pfrsdr>no one has used SslStream before? Please, anyone, have mercy on me and help =]
[14:23]<mjzymygo>and any wierd security patchs etc...
[14:24]<mjzymygo>;)
[14:24]<zyccus>:)
[14:24]<zyccus>thanks, I'm looking forward to part 2 now
[14:24]<mjzymygo>Plasma: nope?
[14:25]<pfrsdr>I get an authentication error when trying to use the thing, 'the token passed to the function was not valid'
[14:25]<pfrsdr>the error being very unhelpful of course
[14:25]<pfrsdr>Im assuming its possibly because the certificate im using is in PEM format and it may be expecting something else, shrug
[14:25]<mjzymygo>sounds like the SSL security token is fucked
[14:25]<pfrsdr>although it reads it fine
[14:25]<mjzymygo>which certificate server you developing against?
[14:25]<pfrsdr>since I can load it, and then it writes out the certificate name when I ask it to
[14:26]<pfrsdr>well, this is not forf a webserver - this is for secure communication between two apps
[14:26]<pfrsdr>Im trying to replace a current server thats already working (socket server) with a new implementation
[14:26]<pfrsdr>it loads and uses the cert + private key files I have with me, which I think I have the c# application using as well - but, running into that problem
[14:26]<pfrsdr>whats frustrating is there is no documentation/help for the error I can find.
[14:27]<pfrsdr>found the error code here, http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms721606.aspx
[14:28]<mjzymygo>are you using a custom certificate server on your LAN?
[14:29]<pfrsdr>just attempted to make a prototype/test yesterday. I made the c# app load the .crt file from disk, and put the private key in the windows keystore (which apparently is where it needs to be)
[14:29]<pfrsdr>so im not using any external cert servers or anything
[14:29]<mjzymygo>thats the problem
[14:29]<pfrsdr>just having a google iwth that error code again, seems im finding some results now
[14:29]<pfrsdr>how so?
[14:29]<mjzymygo>SSL requires a certificate server to verify against.
[14:29]<pfrsdr>the current implementation simply loads the certificate and private key
[14:30]<mjzymygo>so the token would be
[14:30]<pfrsdr>and is running on linux
[14:30]<mjzymygo>invalid
[14:30]<pfrsdr>im not connecting to an SSL webserver, just to clarify
[14:30]<pfrsdr>this is another application which is setup to speak to the ssl socket server
[14:30]<mjzymygo>SSL requires a certificate server
[14:31]<zyccus>Moridin8: even if certificates are self-signed?
[14:32]<pfrsdr>and for some awesome reason, I have lost my example I was making :)
[14:32]<pfrsdr>gonna have to redo it, maybe ill have more luck
[14:33]<vyzusdjvnev>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydnz8WiSRks&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjoeschmditt%2Etripod%2Ecom%2F
[14:33]<mjzymygo>rikkus: good point
[14:33]<mjzymygo>but is using a root certificate a good idea over a wan?
[14:34]<mjzymygo>I think since Windows 2k IIS shouldn't like self-signed stuff.
[14:35]<zyccus>probably not
[14:36]<zyccus>firefox can ask me if I want to trust the cert... I can check the signature
[14:36]<zyccus>perhaps you can do the same from code... say that the cert should be trusted without asking a 3rd party
[14:38]<pzggjgg1000>...Why do people use IIS?
[14:38]<mjzymygo>hmm... I think that since Win200Svr because it's pretty simple to set up your own CA for dev and LAN purposes, I think M$ dropped self signed stuff... it's been a little time since I did any SSL stuff tho
[14:38]<mjzymygo>freeone3000: because it works
[14:38]<vyzusdjvnev>freeone3000, well until apache can have a decent asp.net mod for it we have to suffer
[14:38]<zyccus>freeone3000: to serve up web sites
[14:38]<pzggjgg1000>Mm. True.
[14:38]<vyzusdjvnev>for others cause its a server :P
[14:39]<vyzusdjvnev>i like iis but the complexity needs to change
[14:39]<mjzymygo>besides, since IIS 6's inception, I see no business need to use another web server
[14:41]<pzggjgg1000>Hmm? I haven't actually done anything with 6.
[14:43]<pzggjgg1000>Can't find a download for IIS...
[14:43]<mjzymygo>it's a total re-write
[14:43]<pzggjgg1000>Is it better?
[14:44]<mjzymygo>faster
[14:44]<mjzymygo>more secure
[14:44]<mjzymygo>better app isolation
[14:44]<mjzymygo>easier to expand
[14:44]<mjzymygo>so
[14:44]<mjzymygo>yes
[14:44]<pzggjgg1000>...And more integrated with windows.
[14:44]<mjzymygo>issue being?
[14:44]<pzggjgg1000>I don't have windows. Ah well.
[14:45]<mjzymygo>you a mono bod?
[14:45]<pzggjgg1000>Yep. Mono and cedega.
[14:45]<mjzymygo>=)
[14:45]<mjzymygo>cool
[14:45]<mjzymygo>anyway..
[14:45]<zjjv__>Apache have pretty much killed modty much killed mod_cli too
[14:46]<zyccus>root__: hmm?
[14:46]<pzggjgg1000>YOu only need one module - mod_perl. :)
[14:47]<zyccus>root__: what's that about mod_cli?
[14:47]<sdnffdxdlld>I install linux every few years and find that i still browse/play/work/develop on windows so i uninstall again
[14:48]<pzggjgg1000>I found a nice solution for that. "explorer.exe has had a fatal exeception and must close". Quickly replaced by "Quanta+ has recieved signal SIGSEGV." :)
[14:49]<mjzymygo>only time explorer has crashed on me ever is due to something stupid I did with some code ...
[14:50]<sdnffdxdlld>yer or when i've had really crappy drivers
[14:50]<pzggjgg1000>Mayhaps it's cuz I tried to do "too much". It was mostly linux stuff on a windows box anyhow.
[14:50]<mjzymygo>rikkus: *g*
[14:50]<zyccus>Moridin8: first two tracks amongst my favourite of all time
[14:52]<mjzymygo>\m/(>_<)\m/ *air guitars... *
[14:53]<mjzymygo>Andreas__: don't you appreciate soundgarden?
[14:54]<rgmznrs__>sure, as long as soundgarden themselves are playing/singing :)
[14:54]<zyccus>hehe
[14:54]<mjzymygo>=)
[14:54]<mjzymygo>yeh... I do sound like a strangled cat...
[14:54]<pfrsdr>wheres 'csc' on windows, can I compile c# apps w/o installing the entire studio
[14:54]<pfrsdr>on a crappy laptop :)
[14:54]<rwyfcygs>Plasma: yes
[14:55]<rwyfcygs>csc is in ... C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727 (on XP)
[14:55]<rwyfcygs>s/WINDOWS/WinNT/ for Win2k
[14:55]<pfrsdr>legend, thanks
[14:56]<zyccus>you can download it separately, too, IIRC

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