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[20:32]<`d0>vulture - in C++ it is okay
[20:32]<sdnffdxdlld>`m0 like everyone has said generics != templates
[20:32]<vufvuzn>no - notice that the generic class is compiledand fails regardless of whether you've ever used it
[20:32]<mjzdmdgo|busd>`mo: thats because the compiler makes work at compile time
[20:32]<vufvuzn>wherease in C++ the compilation success (or failure) occurs when you try to _use _ the template with a specific set of arguemtns
[20:32]<mjzdmdgo|busd>in .NET generics typed are created at RUN time...
[20:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>somehow I think my internet connection is broken
[20:33]<mjzdmdgo|busd>that makes how the two system work different
[20:33]<`d0>so what should I do
[20:33]<mjzdmdgo|busd>so what you are trying to achive won't work
[20:33]<`d0>if it s created at runtime
[20:33]<vufvuzn>`m0: realise that the two systems don't map 1 to 1 and consider a different design
[20:33]<`d0>okay :s
[20:33]<vufvuzn>don't try to port C++ to C# unless you know a fair bit about both languages
[20:33]<vufvuzn>you were warned about this before you started
[20:33]<sdnffdxdlld>repeatedly
[20:34]<vufvuzn>wrap the C++ in an interop layer or something instead. Or try playing about with it in C++/CLKI or both
[20:34]<vufvuzn>s/CLKI/CLI/
[20:34]<`d0>I tried CLI
[20:34]<`d0>i will try a different design
[20:34]<sdnffdxdlld>did you use generics or templates in C++/CLI?
[20:34]<`d0>no reason to make another layer for this
[20:36]<mjzdmdgo|busd>I *HATE* ASP.NET
[20:36]<mjzdmdgo|busd>I *HATE* it
[20:36]<sdnffdxdlld>hehehehe
[20:36]<sdnffdxdlld>I heard 2.0 is much better
[20:36]<mjzdmdgo|busd>=/ I wish I could upgrade this to it now...
[20:36]<mjzdmdgo|busd>but the live server this has to end up on isn;t upgraded yet...
[20:37]<mjzdmdgo|busd>I mean.. whats the point in a control of adding controls that aren't needed at the time? ASP.NET *forces* you to otherwise incorrect events get fired.
[20:37]<mjzdmdgo|busd>whats with THAT?
[20:37]<mjzdmdgo|busd>*grrrrr*
[20:38]<mjzdmdgo|busd>wilco; where are you when I want to talk to you about a valid criticism????
[20:38]<sdnffdxdlld>could be worse you sql server could chew up half a gig of ram because you cycle through 70 stored procs via smo :/
[20:38]<zj2-wzc>Its the microsoft way, you get drag-n-drop design for "free" but the cost is lots of crazy ass (often stupid) shit happens behind your back.
[20:39]<mjzdmdgo|busd>smellyhippy: wouldn't bother me though would it... I know T-SQL well enough...
[20:39]<sdnffdxdlld>rob-wrk: which is why I roll my own so often
[20:39]<mjzdmdgo|busd>rob-wrk: it would help if this was even my sodding code originally
[20:39]<sdnffdxdlld>and messing up the deployment of clr assemblies? :P
[20:40]<sdnffdxdlld>making your own deployment system is more annoying than havinbg a few random controls laying around
[20:40]<mjzdmdgo|busd>how would it do that?
[20:40]<mjzdmdgo|busd>duder... SMO is a T-SQL wrapper
[20:40]<sdnffdxdlld>right ... thats the fudge for the fudge
[20:40]<mjzdmdgo|busd>for people who don't know T-SQL well enough
[20:41]<sdnffdxdlld>the original fudge is the fact that visualk studio wont deploy my clr assembly
[20:41]<sdnffdxdlld>which has ment i've had to do my own which has ment i've found another bug and has ment i've had to fudge the fudge
[20:41]<mjzdmdgo|busd>M$ = fudgefactory =/
[20:41]<sdnffdxdlld>its all one big gooey mess
[20:42]<mjzdmdgo|busd>hmmm... goo
[20:42]<sdnffdxdlld>2000/1.1 was better than this :/
[20:42]<sdnffdxdlld>the new features are good but ffs
[20:42]<mjzdmdgo|busd>have you upgrades to SQL2k5 SP1 yet?
[20:42]<sdnffdxdlld>yes and no and i've tried it with both lol
[20:42]<mjzdmdgo|busd>=/ wow.
[20:43]<mjzdmdgo|busd>M$ really are screwing up a bit huh?
[20:43]<sdnffdxdlld>they are analy invading me
[20:43]<sdnffdxdlld>and i dont know why ... its happening on multiple systems but no one else seems to get them
[20:45]<mjzdmdgo|busd>wtf??? I've just lost all my session state now!
[20:45]<mjzdmdgo|busd>smippy: you would be suprised how few people are actually at the level we are.
[20:45]<mjzdmdgo|busd>I'm finding that out with my current employer the HARD way
[20:46]<mjzdmdgo|busd>the reason why these haven't been picked up before is probably because they really really HAVEN'T
[20:46]<mjzdmdgo|busd>I mean.. this code i'm doing overtime on is sourced from a contractor being paid almost twice my rate with 10 years more experience, and he couldn't dev his way out of a wet paper bag...
[20:46]<mjzdmdgo|busd>it's so fucking depressing.
[20:47]<mjzdmdgo|busd>but as it stands, my client is gonna be billing my hours direct so I don't wade in and destroy my clients lawsuit possibilities.
[20:50]<sdnffdxdlld>sorry ... raiding ashtrays for baccy :S
[20:50]<mjzdmdgo|busd>eww
[20:50]<sdnffdxdlld>I cant risk getting caught in the rain to get more :'(
[20:50]<mjzdmdgo|busd>it's just humid and dull here.
[20:51]<sdnffdxdlld>nahhh its not for a ciggy
[20:51]<sdnffdxdlld>fuck that for a lark :P
[20:51]<mjzdmdgo|busd>ahh.... ;)
[20:51]<sdnffdxdlld>its for special things
[20:51]<mjzdmdgo|busd>I'd use a pipe these days ;)
[20:51]<mjzdmdgo|busd>fuck this...
[20:52]<mjzdmdgo|busd>back soon
[20:57]<cjmgrug>did anyone try gliffy? ( http://www.gliffy.com )
[20:59]<sdnffdxdlld>that looks cool
[21:00]<fyfuym-syfggag>gliffy?
[21:01]<fyfuym-syfggag>nice
[21:01]<cjmgrug>but what about security?
[21:02]<sdnffdxdlld>i use visio
[21:02]<cjmgrug>is visio >100MB ?
[21:02]<sdnffdxdlld>probably hehe
[21:03]<cjmgrug>i'm surprised it didnt come with VS2k5 setup...
[21:03]<sdnffdxdlld>you have the class designer now in 2k5
[21:04]<fyfuym-syfggag>fuck me
[21:04]<cjmgrug>yea, but that is...... i dont know... clumsy :p
[21:05]<fyfuym-syfggag>php designer 2006 is awesome
[21:05]<fyfuym-syfggag>ooooooh smellyhippy
[21:05]<sdnffdxdlld>I use that for class diagrams
[21:05]<sdnffdxdlld>visio for everything else
[21:05]<fyfuym-syfggag>?
[21:05]<fyfuym-syfggag>use what?
[21:06]<sdnffdxdlld>try the class diagram visual studio power toy if you want more features
[21:06]<fyfuym-syfggag>eh
[21:06]<fyfuym-syfggag>vs2005 class diagram tool is nice
[21:06]<sdnffdxdlld>the class diagram stuff in vs2k5
[21:06]<fyfuym-syfggag>I use visio tho
[21:06]<cjmgrug>hmm i see
[21:06]<sdnffdxdlld>the power toys make it better :)
[21:06]<cjmgrug>how about a program flowchart ?

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