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[14:16]<kjr>it ceases to be a mac if it uses the same arch and hardware...
[14:16]<drdyrrr_>the other thing that bugs me on mac os x is the way the ui is degrading through too many styles.
[14:16]<kjr>it just becomes another x86 machine
[14:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>shmar__: darwin?
[14:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>but there is no aqua
[14:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>:()
[14:16]<kjr>damieng_: how about those lame ass commercials?
[14:16]<drdyrrr_>aqua, dashboard, brushed metal, platinum, dark platinum, pro tools, garageband
[14:16]<sxdzz__>Liquid-Silence: nope.... full OSX Tiger...
[14:16]<drdyrrr_>kog, i don't watch tv.
[14:16]<sxdzz__>I've run in VMWare!
[14:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>w00t?
[14:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>shmar__: you have a link?
[14:16]<fyfuym-syfggag>shmar__: pm?
[14:16]<sxdzz__>Kog: I really dig the commercials!
[14:16]<kjr>brushed metal is a standard cross-platform theme
[14:16]<sxdzz__>Liquid-Silence: 1 sec...
[14:16]<kjr>shmar__: those commercials are for blithering idiots
[14:17]<drdyrrr_>well brushed metal is going slowly in favour of dark platinum
[14:17]<fyfuym-syfggag>Kog:
[14:17]<kjr>shmar__: Apple always has had sucker ass commercials... like the time they were claiming the G3 was classified as an illegal export
[14:17]<fyfuym-syfggag>well not in windows
[14:17]<kjr>shmar__: because of the "power" of the G3
[14:17]<drdyrrr_>i dunno the think different ones were quite cool
[14:17]<drdyrrr_>and 1984....
[14:17]<kjr>I don't know why they got away with making such outrageously stupid ass commercials
[14:17]<sxdzz__>1984 is a classic
[14:17]<drdyrrr_>show me a good MS advert.
[14:17]<drdyrrr_>or intel.
[14:17]<kjr>but the people sure went out and bought it
[14:17]<sxdzz__>and I think the new ones are really nice: cheeky!
[14:18]<zyccus>show me an argument on ##csharp which isn't pointless
[14:18]<sxdzz__>Liquid-Silence: http://osx86project.org/
[14:18]<kjr>rikkus: we've had plenty
[14:18]<sxdzz__>Liquid-Silence: You'll need to 'obtain' an iso of the tiger installation disc (Intel)
[14:18]<drdyrrr_>osx86 people are a bunch of blithering idiots
[14:18]<kjr>0416 on a Friday is generally not th e best time to go hunting though
[14:18]<zyccus>show me someone missing the point of the comment
[14:18]<drdyrrr_>like anyone expecting os x for their pc.
[14:19]<fyfuym-syfggag>shmar__: screenshots?
[14:19]<sxdzz__>damieng_: I've actually got it running!
[14:19]<kjr>rikkus: dude... it's 0417, you can't expect me to be clever
[14:19]<sxdzz__>Liquid-Silence: hold....
[14:19]<drdyrrr_>who have no idea about the manpower required to develop and test enough drivers to support major pc's of the last 3 years.
[14:19]<kjr>damieng_: what are you talking about...?
[14:19]<zyccus>Kog: I'll let you off then ;)
[14:19]<drdyrrr_>shmar__ yeah you can hack it
[14:19]<kjr>rikkus: I also had to carry my bike on my back 3-4 miles because of a flat tire
[14:19]<drdyrrr_>Kog, the people who keep expecting/wanting/demanding os x be available for pc's
[14:20]<kjr>damieng_: dude... if the new apple stuff is x86, then it's already running on a "pc"
[14:20]<zyccus>Kog: hope you have a light bike
[14:20]<kjr>rikkus: it's only ~26lbs
[14:20]<drdyrrr_>on a "pc" yes.
[14:20]<kjr>although, arguably it was already running on a personal computer, and not a mainframe
[14:20]<kjr>(or dumb terminal)
[14:20]<drdyrrr_>but these people seem to think that means they shuold be able to run it on *their* pc
[14:20]<sxdzz__>Liquid-Silence: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/OSx86:Gallery
[14:20]<kjr>damieng: if it compiles for x86 it should run on my hardware indeed
[14:20]<sxdzz__>anyone here ever compile nant-contrib?
[14:21]<kjr>that's the point of targetted compiling
[14:21]<drdyrrr_>Kog, so who's going to pay for nvidia graphics drivers to be developed.
[14:21]<drdyrrr_>and for other chipsets...
[14:21]<drdyrrr_>for usb, firewire....
[14:21]<sxdzz__>Kog, it requires a certain amount of TPM hacking... but it runs fine under VMWare....
[14:21]<drdyrrr_>bluetooth....
[14:21]<kjr>huh? why does that bear relevence to what instruction set the chip runs
[14:21]<drdyrrr_>chipsets
[14:21]<kjr>shmar__: x86 is an instruction set... if the OS can be compiled for it, it should run on the chip
[14:21]<drdyrrr_>i.e. northbridge & southbridge
[14:21]<sxdzz__>Kog: I know....
[14:21]<kjr>damieng_: ah, that's a different story
[14:22]<drdyrrr_>right, so lets say apple ship osx for "pc's"
[14:22]<drdyrrr_>how many people would be pissed within 24 hours.
[14:22]<sxdzz__>damieng_: I doubt they'd do that!
[14:22]<drdyrrr_>i'd say almost all.
[14:22]<kjr>at this point there isn't a real brand to Mac "hardware"
[14:22]<fyfuym-syfggag>hmmm
[14:22]<kjr>it's eroded
[14:22]<sxdzz__>Kog: whadaya mean?
[14:22]<fyfuym-syfggag>so why dont more people run OsX on x86?
[14:22]<drdyrrr_>my graphics/usb/firewire/modem/network/wifi/bluetooth doesn't work!! OSX is SHIT!
[14:23]<kjr>damieng_: I had other reasons to exclaim it, but as I said... 10.4 seems to be a real OS at last
[14:23]<kjr>shmar__: go look at the history of apple hardware
[14:23]<sxdzz__>damieng_: you'd be surprised at the range of stuff which works just fine!
[14:23]<drdyrrr_>Kog, because of which changes?
[14:23]<kjr>shmar__: it u sed to be distinct
[14:23]<drdyrrr_>shmar__, no i wouldn't.
[14:23]<drdyrrr_>I've delved into iokit
[14:23]<kjr>damieng_: all kinds of stuff... but they've done a lot of improvement
[14:23]<drdyrrr_>and the darwin sources.
[14:23]<kjr>damieng_: it's really moot because I don't use it, and if I WERE to use it, I'd be doing so post 10.4
[14:24]<kjr>damieng_: which I've acknowledged to be just fine by me
[14:24]<drdyrrr_>wondering whats in store for 10.5
[14:24]<sxdzz__>damieng_: see macrumors...
[14:24]<drdyrrr_>I'm kinda dreaming that they switch out mach with l4 in the future and move the drivers into efi
[14:24]<sxdzz__>mostly, what they're talking about is built-in virtualization - darwine style
[14:24]<drdyrrr_>and then windows and osx can exist as L4 processes ;-)
[14:25]<kjr>I wonder if they've ported portage yet
[14:25]<drdyrrr_>with a unified driver model.
[14:25]<kjr>I know there's a FreeBSD portage port

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