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[14:25]<drdyrrr_>*then* they might be able to sell it to efi pc users
[14:25]<drdyrrr_>Fink has lots of OSX ports
[14:25]<kjr>does OSX have a decent ports collection yet?
[14:25]<drdyrrr_>fink
[14:25]<kjr>I thought Fink was apt-get?
[14:25]<drdyrrr_>it's been around for yonks
[14:25]<sxdzz__>Kog: yup, theres also darwin-ports
[14:25]<drdyrrr_>whats the difference between a ports collection and apt-get?
[14:26]<kjr>damieng: it's also been a piece of shit for the earlier portions of its existence
[14:26]<kjr>it's a completely different manager
[14:26]<drdyrrr_>and?
[14:26]<kjr>shmar__: any good?
[14:26]<kjr>damieng_: well, ports builds from source...
[14:26]<sxdzz__>nice enough....
[14:26]<kjr>although, if it's truly BSD-like, you can pkg_add
[14:26]<drdyrrr_>fink builds from source
[14:26]<kjr>which should get you a binary, ifn' one exists
[14:26]<sxdzz__>check it out, google darwinports....
[14:26]<drdyrrr_>although you can switch to binaries for some
[14:27]<kjr>shmar__: I've heard of it, it didn't exist when I first used OSX
[14:27]<kjr>damieng_: apt-get usually builds binaries I believe
[14:27]<kjr>but the dep management system is different internally
[14:27]<drdyrrr_>"Fink uses Debian tools like dpkg and apt-get to provide powerful binary package management. You can choose whether you want to download precompiled binary packages or build everything from source."
[14:27]<kjr>I gather /stand/sysinstall doesn't exist though?
[14:28]<drdyrrr_>right, work time.
[14:28]<kjr>damieng_: ok, I was going to take your word for it... heh
[14:28]<kjr>I wasn't saying apt-get === fink... just thought it was based off it
[14:28]<kjr>which it apparently is
[14:28]<drdyrrr_>http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/general.php?phpLang=en#bsd-ports
[14:29]<kjr>shmar__: another thing is that the nexgen MS tech seems a lot more promising and interesting
[14:29]<kjr>shmar__: MS is turning into an honest research house
[14:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>I love Bill
[14:29]<sxdzz__>MS Research has always been doing really interesting stuff...
[14:30]<kjr>shmar__: dunno about "always"
[14:30]<sxdzz__>vista has a lot of tiger-like features though!
[14:30]<sxdzz__>Kog: at least for the last few years...
[14:30]<kjr>shmar__: you're asserting that they stole research from Mac?
[14:30]<fyfuym-syfggag>Kog: I have to agree
[14:30]<kjr>damieng: ack, perl? make it stop :(
[14:30]<fyfuym-syfggag>microsoft takes ideas
[14:30]<sxdzz__>dunno about stole, 'borrowed'?
[14:30]<sdnffdxdlld>shmar__: and tiger has alot of features from other programs ... your point is?
[14:31]<kjr>shmar__: I think that the concepts were intuitively obvious
[14:31]<kjr>shmar__: the sad fact is most OS' haven't really done anything interesting in years
[14:31]<kjr>shmar__: and they're finally starting to
[14:31]<sxdzz__>yes... as soon as mac had implemented them.... they were obvious!
[14:31]<kjr>that can be applied to just about any OS
[14:31]<sdnffdxdlld>you say that like apple were the firts to do so ... they stole just as much as anyone else
[14:31]<kjr>shmar__: what exactly did Mac pioneer that other people now find obvious...?
[14:32]<kjr>smellyhippy: see Apple vs. MS as settled by PARC ;)
[14:32]<sdnffdxdlld>SpikeLite google Apple vs. MS as settled by PARC
[14:32]<slycnlyvn>Result: <b>Apple</b> Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corp. - Wikipedia, the free <b>...</b> : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_v._Microsoft
[14:32]<sxdzz__>Kog: entourage, spotlight
[14:32]<sxdzz__>kog: propper security
[14:32]<kjr>you're kidding me
[14:32]<kjr>you're joking right
[14:33]<kjr>you're going to claim that apple invented the PIM and security?
[14:33]<sdnffdxdlld>lol
[14:33]<sdnffdxdlld>your funny shmar__ :P
[14:33]<kjr>and file indexing?
[14:33]<sxdzz__>no... I;m just saying that they integrated it into an end-user operating system in an intuitive manneer.
[14:33]<kjr>we have different concepts
[14:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>Kog: no
[14:33]<sdnffdxdlld>kog: got a link?
[14:33]<sxdzz__>and ms stole a page right from their playbook for vista!
[14:34]<kjr>smellyhippy: Apple sued MS over theft of ideas like the mouse and GUIs
[14:34]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah I know about that
[14:34]<kjr>smellyhippy: PARC stepped in and slapped apple around a bit
[14:34]<kjr>as both MS and Apple had borrowed from PARC ;)
[14:34]<sxdzz__>check it out.... the search box in almost all windows, the 'entourage' like functionality, limited user access.
[14:34]<sxdzz__>....
[14:34]<kjr>in what MUST be the DUMBEST decision not to use technology ever
[14:34]<svre>http://rafb.net/paste/results/SpqHns98.html --> Hi I'm pretty sure this will match what Im after. How can I implement it properly as a multiline regex in C#?
[14:34]<sxdzz__>Kog: you go man1
[14:35]<kjr>shmar__: none of which are particularly innovative, and none of which haven't been attempted before
[14:35]<sxdzz__>I disagree....
[14:35]<kjr>shmar__: and OSX used to have a hell of a lot of trouble doing things like joining to domains and using kerberos until 10.4
[14:35]<kjr>shmar__: 10.4 finally integrates kerberos stuff
[14:35]<kjr>to a level that's useful anyway
[14:35]<sdnffdxdlld>shmar__: so what your saying is that apple have innovated in the UI
[14:35]<sxdzz__>inovations don't have to be techinically difficult.... they just have to make the everyday life of the average person just that much easier, unobtrusively....
[14:36]<kjr>the other thing that would be really nice is if Ghost worked on OSX heh
[14:36]<kjr>shmar__: you're giving credit where it isn't due
[14:36]<drdyrrr_>the office 2007 ui is quite innovative
[14:36]<kjr>these are all concepts already done in other OS'
[14:36]<kjr>hell, the security model you give credit to OSX is what... 40 years old?
[14:37]<sxdzz__>didn't say they invented it.... just that they implemented it in a true "end-user" os!
[14:37]<kjr>which is entirely opinion based heh
[14:37]<sxdzz__>true...
[14:37]<kjr>although things like keyrings are 5-10 years old at least
[14:37]<sxdzz__>I like linux! but I wouldn't give it to my mom!
[14:37]<drdyrrr_>i've used a few unixes and osx was the first one i thought hell, this is nice to use
[14:37]<kjr>shmar__: I wouldn't give my mom OSX or Linux
[14:37]<sxdzz__>damieng_: exactly what I'm saying!
[14:38]<kjr>shmar__: I'd barely give her Windows
[14:38]<fyfuym-syfggag>wtf
[14:38]<kjr>damieng_: don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that OSX isn't nice to use
[14:38]<drdyrrr_>i think my parents would be safer on osx
[14:38]<fyfuym-syfggag>my pc just told me its raining outside
[14:38]<fyfuym-syfggag>and I go outside

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