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[17:26]<cjmgrug>thanks, invictus. I'll take a look..
[17:26]<zyccus>AqD: why?
[17:27]<dzmzaivnz>Rather vague question: Is there some reason that ASP.NET's page lifecycle is actually a good idea? I've so far recieved no benefit from it and an awful lot of grief...
[17:27]<zyccus>it doesn't get corrupted fast enough with only 2-3 developers
[17:27]<afd>i see
[17:27]<zyccus>DRMacIver: page lifecycle?
[17:27]<afd>DRMacIver: it has no real page lifecycle
[17:27]<afd>DRMacIver: it's quite a mess if you read the internal code
[17:27]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: You know. Page_PreInit, Page_Load, etc.
[17:28]<afd>DRMacIver: it's more than that
[17:28]<dzmzaivnz>AqD: I can believe it. :(
[17:28]<dzmzaivnz>AqD: How do you mean?
[17:28]<afd>DRMacIver: and state persistence is a mess too
[17:28]<zyccus>DRMacIver: how would you prefer it was designed?
[17:28]<afd>rikkus: a simple three-stage cycle :)
[17:28]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: Request. Do stuff. Response.
[17:28]<dzmzaivnz>Where Do Stuff results in returning a ModelAndView
[17:28]<dzmzaivnz>Which is passed to the response
[17:29]<afd>rikkus: rewind (on postback), handle event, render
[17:29]<zyccus>so you want MVC... that's a completely different model
[17:29]<dzmzaivnz>Yes
[17:29]<dzmzaivnz>It's a good model.
[17:29]<zyccus>well, then use Castle
[17:29]<afd>DRMacIver: http://aqdweb.sourceforge.net/
[17:29]<afd>rikkus: no castle ;)
[17:29]<dzmzaivnz>But that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if there's some reason I'm missing that it's a good idea.
[17:29]<zyccus>yes, MVC is a good model - but so's ASP.NET's... for some apps
[17:29]<afd>DRMacIver: well try my aqdweb? ;)
[17:30]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: Fine. But I don't see why. :)
[17:30]<dzmzaivnz>AqD: Taking a look now.
[17:30]<afd>later, game time :)
[17:30]<dzmzaivnz>Have fun. :)
[17:31]<zyccus>DRMacIver: it's a good idea because it works... for many applications
[17:31]<dzmzaivnz>See, that's not an answer.
[17:31]<dzmzaivnz>Something can work and still be a bad idea. :)
[17:31]<dzmzaivnz>What actual benefit does the page lifecycle bring?
[17:31]<zyccus>DRMacIver: surely results define how good something is
[17:32]<zyccus>DRMacIver: benefit over what? CGI? MVC?
[17:32]<afd>DRMacIver: have you used tapestry?
[17:32]<afd>DRMacIver: it's mvc too but page-based
[17:32]<dzmzaivnz>AqD: Very limited experience at the moment.
[17:32]<dzmzaivnz>This is only my second project.
[17:32]<dzmzaivnz>And the last one was Java based
[17:32]<afd>DRMacIver: aqdweb is designed likei t :)
[17:32]<y-gz>AqD: your website caused opera to cause 100% cpu usage on X
[17:32]<afd>i-nZ: ROFL
[17:33]<afd>i-nZ: css3 transparency :D
[17:33]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: Benefit in an absolute sense...
[17:33]<afd>i-nZ: http://aqd.ath.cx/aqdweb
[17:33]<afd>:)
[17:33]<afd>DRMacIver: a cleaner interface
[17:33]<y-gz>oh right
[17:33]<y-gz>i guess i won't have that issue with the closed source nvidia drivers , but i don't want to use those :)
[17:33]<zyccus>DRMacIver: that statement doesn't mean anything to me
[17:33]<afd>i-nZ: not really, you need opera 9
[17:34]<cjmgrug>thats, precisely what i was telling you , the other day : AqD
[17:34]<afd>CodeRun: eh??
[17:34]<afd>CodeRun: oh!
[17:34]<afd>CodeRun: well it works on IE :)
[17:34]<y-gz>AqD: i use opera 9 since it was in technical preview state :)
[17:34]<afd>and quite fast
[17:34]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: Then we're probably not going to have a very useful conversation about this. :)
[17:34]<afd>i-nZ: it works here :)
[17:34]<cjmgrug>you website seems quite 'heavy' even on opera 9
[17:34]<afd>CodeRun: IE displays it very fast
[17:34]<zyccus>DRMacIver: you'll have to ask a proper question, I'm afraid
[17:34]<afd>CodeRun: with directx accel :)
[17:34]<cjmgrug>hmm
[17:35]<dzmzaivnz>"Questions don't have to make sense. Answers do."
[17:35]<zyccus>DRMacIver: if you want to learn more about the architecture, read Rick Strahl's article here: http://www.code-magazine.com/Article.aspx?quickid=0511061
[17:35]<afd>DRMacIver: well you see tapestry
[17:35]<y-gz>that's what I am saying
[17:35]<afd>DRMacIver: if it works, asp.net could be made to work too
[17:35]<y-gz>i don't have any gfx accel here
[17:35]<zyccus>DRMacIver: "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"
[17:35]<cjmgrug>hey no, now its smooth again !
[17:35]<afd>i-nZ: oh use opera 8 then :)
[17:35]<afd>i-nZ: ah just go to aqd.ath.cx/aqdweb :)
[17:36]<afd>i removed the opacity for myself - too slow with firefox
[17:36]<y-gz>:)
[17:36]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: My question was vague. It was not stupid.
[17:36]<afd>rikkus: i have come to realize page-based style is too limited
[17:37]<afd>some code have to be duplicated
[17:37]<afd>if everything is global it'd be better
[17:37]<afd>oh game starts!
[17:37]<zyccus>can't believe you just said that ;)
[17:38]<dzmzaivnz>The benefit of asking a human over asking a machine is that humans are inherently capable of parsing vague questions to come up with meaningful answers. It's one of the beauties of language. :p
[17:38]<zyccus>there's a difference between vague and meaningless
[17:38]<zyccus>what's the benefit of bees?
[17:39]<cjmgrug>not any longer, DRMacIver. Google is better at parsing 'vagueness' these days :p
[17:40]<dzmzaivnz>rikkus: Bees produce honey, which is nice in food. They are essential to the breeding of various plants, and so help maintain a pleasant and viable ecosphere. Several other benefits.
[17:40]<dzmzaivnz>Further, my question was not meaningless.
[17:41]<dzmzaivnz>Further^2, I don't intend to carry this argument any further. :)
[17:41]<cjmgrug>ugh! cmon dont get biology in c#!
[17:45]<dzmzaivnz>CodeRun: RE the vagueness comment, I've not actually noticed google being very good at answering questions at all actually
[17:45]<dzmzaivnz>Google is very good at searching for keywords.
[17:45]<dzmzaivnz>And it's not bad at picking up on related keywords.
[17:45]<dzmzaivnz>But if you want to search for the answer to a specific question it can take a lot of clever guessing and trial and error.
[17:45]<y-gz>http://www.searchlores.org/

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