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[20:49]<mjzymygo>thats a junior wage even here.
[20:49]<fnzjy>i'm a hustler
[20:49]<mjzymygo>^^^ contractor
[20:49]<mjzymygo>;)
[20:49]<fnzjy>yeah
[20:49]<dyguw>leroi: 200k USD a year?
[20:49]<fnzjy>yes
[20:49]<dyguw>leroi: fuck I say
[20:50]<mjzymygo>thats what I could earn perm leroi ;)
[20:50]<dyguw>leroi: Where the fuck do you work?
[20:50]<mjzymygo>Been offered a job for just a little under that, but they wouldn't sponsor my green card.
[20:50]<fnzjy>yeah but i don't like being bound to anyone on a perm. basis
[20:50]<fnzjy>minux: construction, computers etc...
[20:50]<mjzymygo>Leroi: nor me, but I will prbably take it up the ass for the first coupla years
[20:51]<fnzjy>minux: i get my hands dirty with everything
[20:51]<dyguw>leroi: okay
[20:51]<fnzjy>i still trade baseball cards
[20:51]<fnzjy>:p
[20:51]<vynvyv>Moridin8: that may be true, but in america + cobol you could probably learn even more
[20:51]<vynvyv>i don't see your point
[20:52]<mjzymygo>Not saying it ain't true for the US tieTYT...
[20:52]<dyguw>Liquid-Silence thought I should name my company "Ultimahora" =) Hora means "whore" in Swedish :D
[20:52]<mjzymygo>but i'm in the UK
[20:52]<svzz[wjzc]>OHHHH i think i got something here!!!!!!!!! http://rafb.net/paste/results/OVcKCL35.html <--- check this concept out (still my proble from this morning)
[20:52]<vynvyv>well it sounds like you're saying it's true in the UK too
[20:53]<mjzymygo>nope. Cobol peeps get paid about the same as non cobol peeps. except VB programmers who just get what they deserve...
[20:54]<svzz[wjzc]>Liquid-Silence what you think about that?
[20:54]<svzz[wjzc]>actually... it compiles! :D
[20:54]<mjzymygo>StaZ[home]: what you trying to do
[20:54]<dyguw>leroi: 200k USD per year is like 1,5 million SEK, normal sallary in sweden is like 300k SEK per year.
[20:55]<svzz[wjzc]>Moridin8 well what you see up there in my paste is my business layer :)
[20:55]<dyguw>leroi: My mother gets 108000 SEK per year.
[20:56]<svzz[wjzc]>Moridin8 http://rafb.net/paste/results/pb76OO43.html here's the description of my ORM
[20:58]<mjzymygo>yeh... good concept ;)
[20:58]<dyguw>leroi: But perhaps prices are higher in the US than in Sweden.
[20:58]<svzz[wjzc]>thank you, i made this out in a database, now to to transpose in OO model
[20:58]<mjzymygo>although I would only access the business layer from the presentation tear through an interface and class factory.
[20:59]<mjzymygo>this allows you to swap out the factory provider easily and places a public interface standard against the business layer
[20:59]<svzz[wjzc]>okay i never knew what is a class factory
[20:59]<mjzymygo>woo.
[20:59]<mjzymygo>sorry... hang on...
[20:59]<ruyperruyr>would it be possible to make your C# program self contained? without needing to install .net on the computers?
[21:00]<mjzymygo>this page gives you an overview: http://www.dofactory.com/Patterns/Patterns.aspx
[21:00]<svzz[wjzc]>i aldready saw a representation of it on the GoF website but didn't really understood the concept
[21:00]<svzz[wjzc]>yeah that one
[21:00]<svzz[wjzc]>:)
[21:00]<mjzymygo>GUIPEnguin: yeh, create an install package that has .NET inside it like everyone else ;)
[21:00]<svzz[wjzc]>i should get that book, friends of mine says its a MUST
[21:01]<mjzymygo>well, essentially a class factory is an object that generates an object and supplies it to you via a method.
[21:01]<svzz[wjzc]>oh... i use such a concept with my Continuous subforms
[21:02]<mjzymygo>It can be expanded to use a provider, so that the Class factory will generate it's objects based on the current provider it uses
[21:02]<svzz[wjzc]>okay i see
[21:02]<svzz[wjzc]>i have a Mapper that works like that
[21:02]<svzz[wjzc]>http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/rmcochran/elegant_dal05212006130957PM/elegant_dal.aspx?ArticleID=b9f94d24-6933-48e7-9c16-879ba906d28b <-- took it there
[21:02]<svzz[wjzc]>and adapted to my strcuture
[21:02]<svzz[wjzc]>it's very pretty
[21:03]<mjzymygo>well, thats not *quite* it, but there are enough resources on the web with practical examples.
[21:04]<mjzymygo>the factory/provider model is used by M$ a hell of a lot in .NET 2. ADO.NET and ASP.NET especially
[21:04]<svzz[wjzc]>so now i have a bunch of Readers (DAL) -> Mappers (between DAL and BLL) -> Providers (BLL) -> here... not sure yet completely
[21:04]<lxlwgnz>does a project build using different references depending on if it is in debug or release mode?
[21:05]<svzz[wjzc]>Moridin8 by the way i wanted to ask you, about the relation between the presentation layer and the BLL, pm?
[21:05]<mjzymygo>dude... don;t mess with the complicated factory stuff for your project.
[21:05]<mjzymygo>it would be overkill right now, especially considering this is all new to you
[21:06]<mjzymygo>but I *would* suggest talking to the BL level via interfaces.
[21:06]<svzz[wjzc]>http://rafb.net/paste/results/OVcKCL35.html <- like i do here?
[21:06]<mjzymygo>StaZ: nah.. no PM, I gotta go soon. it's friday night and a beer awaits in the pub...
[21:06]<svzz[wjzc]>oh sure no problem
[21:07]<mjzymygo>TheList = new List<FileBasedRow>();
[21:07]<mjzymygo>should be (with interface)
[21:07]<svzz[wjzc]>what?
[21:08]<mjzymygo>whoops...
[21:08]<mjzymygo>mis read...
[21:08]<mjzymygo>thats fine *grins*
[21:08]<mjzymygo>sorry
[21:08]<svzz[wjzc]>phew, you scared me
[21:08]<svzz[wjzc]>i was proud i use my first interface
[21:08]<svzz[wjzc]>:P
[21:08]<mjzymygo>I make a habit of naming anything thats an interface with a small 'i' infront on it's name.
[21:08]<mjzymygo>got confused with myself.
[21:08]<-- zzzfjs xzs fuyv (>out")
[21:08]<svzz[wjzc]>Moridin8 i did... but a Capital I
[21:08]<lyfuym-wjzc>Moridin8: I do too
[21:09]<lyfuym-wjzc>iTableBase
[21:09]<svzz[wjzc]>interface IFileBasedProvider { List<FileBasedRow> GetList(); } <--
[21:09]<svzz[wjzc]>M$ style :P
[21:09]<mjzymygo>IDogsBollox iTheDogs = new DOgsBolloxRule(); <-- kinda idea
[21:09]<svzz[wjzc]>ohhhh the local object with an i
[21:09]<mjzymygo>notice the 'iTheDogs'
[21:09]<svzz[wjzc]>okayyyy
[21:09]<svzz[wjzc]>sorry
[21:09]<svzz[wjzc]>good idea
[21:09]<mjzymygo>stops confusion ;)
[21:10]<fnzjy>dammit
[21:10]<svzz[wjzc]>Moridin8 before you go i HAVE to ask you
[21:10]<fnzjy>my son stole all my highlighter pens and i can't find any
[21:10]<lyfuym-wjzc>lawl
[21:10]<mjzymygo>^^^ points an leroi and laughs...
[21:10]<lyfuym-wjzc>slap him
[21:10]<fnzjy>you don't slap kids mofo
[21:10]<lyfuym-wjzc>then anal probe him with a highlighter

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