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[02:12]<pzjdyv>and i haven't even gotten up the courage to look at how generics and templates interact
[02:12]<kjr>Moridin8: there's an index on an attribute in a table with a cardinality of NULL
[02:12]<kjr>what the hell is going on h ere
[02:13]<jdvgdjgcgd>i bought a drum set
[02:13]<mjzymygo>kog... wierd....
[02:13]<mjzymygo>kog: what DB?
[02:13]<kjr>so I went to re-index... works fine
[02:13]<kjr>MySQL - MyISAM
[02:13]<mjzymygo>yeuck...
[02:14]<mjzymygo>don't myISAM tables have dodgy index's on huge tables of data <-- what I heard... don't take word for it
[02:14]<pzjdyv>myisam tables don't have any referential integrity at all
[02:14]<mjzymygo>Promit: i'd believe it
[02:14]<mjzymygo>oooh... I have a bet moth flapping around my TFT's....
[02:14]<pzjdyv>i also believe that myisam tables do not correctly support transactions, but i'm not sure about that
[02:14]<mjzymygo>s/bet/pet
[02:15]<kjr>Promit: they do in 5
[02:15]<kjr>Promit: they have both FKEY and autocommit tweaks in 5/5.1
[02:15]<pzjdyv>aren't they in the process of adding a new storage engine for 6 or something?
[02:16]<kjr>but obviously since they built it out of apt-get or whatever ubuntu piece of shit they're doing, it's 4
[02:16]<`d0>Promit yea
[02:16]<kjr>Promit: Oracle bought InnoDB
[02:16]<pzjdyv>what was the new engine's name?
[02:16]<kjr>MyISAM-That-Doesn't-Suck?
[02:16]<`d0>PBXT
[02:16]<`d0>it is the new transactional engine for mysql
[02:17]<txnjzd>how is it?
[02:17]<`d0>http://www.primebase.com/xt/
[02:17]<`d0>I never tried it
[02:17]<kjr>`m0: AB has a new engine they're writing
[02:17]<`d0>I will try it once i see 1000 + bugs fixed
[02:18]<`d0>Kog - yea they are as well
[02:18]<ggmzr>hi
[02:18]<kjr>`m0: yeah, that was what Promit was talking about... the one AB is writing
[02:18]<`d0>but they like PBXT thoug.. thats why they are placing in mysql 6
[02:19]<`d0>hmm they have new plans, yes
[02:19]<`d0>are you talking about the SolidDB?
[02:20]<kjr>I haven't heard what AB is calling their new engine
[02:20]<kjr>just that it's supposed to be uber awesome
[02:20]<`d0>http://news.com.com/MySQL+to+get+solid+transactions/2100-1012_3-6061443.html
[02:20]<`d0>hehe
[02:20]<kjr>http://news.com.com/MySQL+fills+Oracle-consumed+hole+in+database/2100-1012_3-6058930.html?tag=nl
[02:20]<`d0>i really hate oracle..
[02:21]<`d0>i don't know why you like it so much
[02:21]<kjr>"MySQL's decision to write its own storage engine is a direct response ..."
[02:21]<kjr>no one *likes* oracle
[02:21]<`d0>heh
[02:21]<kjr>it's the 800lb gorilla, some of us just understand that better
[02:21]<`d0>I think you got mistaken, MySQL is searching for a new engine, I never knew they are making one
[02:22]<aj2jppyrr>oracle is a way too expensive piece of shit
[02:22]<`d0>cause making one would require years of research
[02:22]<kjr>http://news.com.com/MySQL+beefs+up+engineering+with+Firebird+alum/2110-7344_3-6042937.html?tag=nl
[02:22]<kjr>`m0: read the quote I posted
[02:22]<kjr>looks like they acquired a company and their engine
[02:22]<`d0>hmm
[02:22]<kjr>Netfrastructure
[02:22]<`d0>they have aquired more than one
[02:23]<`d0>http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/04/26/1611396.htm
[02:23]<`d0>Innobase/Oracle, Solid Information Technology & Community Developers Join MySQL in Producing Engines for the World's Most Popular Open Source Database
[02:23]<`d0>hmm teamwork?
[02:23]<kjr>cobolfing: yeah... it sucks they license per proc too
[02:24]<pzjdyv>i personally wouldn't be much inclined to trust oracle if i were mysql
[02:24]<kjr>I guess Solid is what I was talking about
[02:24]<aj2jppyrr>Kog : yep .. and they never worked on their client tools since like 1995
[02:24]<`d0>i would trust SQL SErver thou
[02:24]<pzjdyv>when you're rapidly taking marketshare away from a company, it's a little sketchy for them to start acting all friendly
[02:24]<kjr>Promit: Oracle acquiring Inno doesn't reduce MySQL's marketshare heh
[02:24]<kjr>I actually think it was a dumb move
[02:24]<`d0>I wonder why postgresql market isn't boosting
[02:24]<aj2jppyrr>Kog : (SQL*Plus is a good example)
[02:25]<kjr>`m0: I dunno, people seem to think it's slow
[02:25]<sdnffdxdlld>`m0: I'm starting to have doubts aboutthe quality of some of the .net stuff in MSSQL 2005 :/
[02:25]<`d0>.net is awesome :p
[02:25]<kjr>`m0: PG also was missing some replication tech... which is coming from third party sources
[02:25]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah it is!
[02:25]<`d0>http://hapticast.sf.net
[02:25]<`d0>o0
[02:25]<kjr>for the longest time PG couldn't do multi-master systems
[02:25]<sdnffdxdlld>but ffs i've found some fucking arsing bugs
[02:25]<kjr>it might be able to now, dunno
[02:26]<`d0>i will let you guys know about the witchcraft Virtual Reality game :p
[02:26]<`d0>Kog hmm their new version i guess it is 7 is completely differnt then the previous
[02:26]<`d0>so i guess they do have multi-master systems
[02:26]<kjr>8
[02:26]<`d0>hehe so 8 it is :p
[02:26]<kjr>and the rep/master tech was coming from third party sources last I looked
[02:27]<`d0>Kog how is your new job
[02:27]<`d0>asked for a raise yet:p
[02:28]<kjr>don't have one
[02:28]<kjr>still at the old one
[02:28]<`d0>hmm
[02:28]<`d0>i thought you moved jobs
[02:28]<`d0>and you were *SO* excited
[02:28]<kjr>I was happy to get out of this den of idiocy
[02:28]<kjr>but alas...
[02:29]<txnjzd>anyone here got any experience with replication?
[02:29]<sdnffdxdlld>not in too long X(
[02:29]<`d0>sql server 2005?
[02:30]<kjr>why the hell does this crap still refuse to use the indices
[02:30]<`d0>which crap?
[02:30]<txnjzd>we are thinking of doing it at the application layer

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