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[13:16]<mj-c>and I agree that T-SQL is very powerful. Too powerful, unfortunately. I have no preferences,for me everything is XML at the end.
[13:17]<mj-c>because you develop on something, and clients decide to change backend etc
[13:17]<vyzusdjvnnv>does mysql support xml?
[13:17]<mj-c>MS SQL has some dialect syntax, not compatible with Oracle
[13:18]<mj-c>in the way we build everything it should not natively support it in the way Oracle and MS SQL does
[13:18]<mjzymygo>do-k: I hope you don't work on anything above a hundred users
[13:18]<mjzymygo>that attituide will guarrantee a dud db after a year
[13:18]<mj-c>you mean scalability issues?
[13:19]<mjzymygo>do-k: Just creating a normalised database and plonking a BL on top of it and ignoring the DB itself is foolish
[13:19]<mj-c>it's different layer transparent
[13:20]<mj-c>I don't ignore it, I don't polish it till clients come up with something final
[13:20]<mj-c>and it's ready to replace.
[13:20]<eyd2r>hi
[13:21]<mjzymygo>nHibernate is a great idea, but it's a little less than It should be...
[13:21]<mj-c>db part is not holy grail, let face it, after all.
[13:21]<mj-c>I agree about NHibernat
[13:21]<mj-c>e
[13:21]<mjzymygo>no, but having a maintained DB is a good thing.
[13:21]<eyd2r>in Java Api for each method I can found the description of the exceptions raised by that method
[13:21]<mjzymygo>and using BL objects blindly is dumb.
[13:21]<mj-c>I hate my DBA!!!!!!
[13:21]<mjzymygo>I hate DBA's too... even after I learnt how to do their job.
[13:21]<eyd2r>where can I find this information about c#?
[13:22]<mj-c>he is too restrictive, therefore I declare total independence in my code
[13:22]<mj-c> :-)
[13:22]<mjzymygo>Zimba: see the MSDN2 documentation
[13:22]<mjzymygo>do-k: a lot of DBA's are too restrictive because developers cock things up.
[13:23]<mjzymygo>I learnt DBA stuff so I could be trusted by the DBA's to do what I need to do without them fucking MY work up.
[13:23]<eyd2r>Moridin8, there I can't find that information for each method
[13:24]<mj-c>a lot of DBA do not see things in their integrity for enterprise, they are Holy Fathers of DB only. But backend is just a part of total story, and many applications are not pure database-driven at all!!
[13:24]<vyzusdjvnnv>hey Moridin8 on joins do the two or more tables have to have the same column length?
[13:24]<eyd2r>Moridin8, for example, I need information about exceptions raised by SqlAdapter.Fill
[13:26]<mjzymygo>Zimba: the MSDN2 doco *does* supply the exceptions a method will throw. But only if that method is the actual source of the exception.
[13:26]<mjzymygo>zimba: if it comes from else-where, then it's tough.
[13:26]<mjzymygo>if Fill is generating exceptions, then you need to look at the stack trace supplied and figure it out.
[13:27]<mjzymygo>VirusDotNet: column length? as in strings/varchars?
[13:28]<vyzusdjvnnv>like table1 has id,number,worknumber and table2 has name,adress, city,state,country
[13:28]<vyzusdjvnnv>they don't have same number of columns
[13:29]<mjzymygo>You join tables on an individual field. Usually based on a PrimaryKey->Foreign key
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: stfu
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>:P
[13:29]<mjzymygo>the number of columns don't mean fook
[13:29]<vyzusdjvnnv>Liquid-Silence, you stfu ;)
[13:29]<mjzymygo>Liquid-StillSick?
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: Moridin8 feeling better
[13:29]<vyzusdjvnnv>okay just making sure ;)
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>got some hectic stuff
[13:29]<vyzusdjvnnv>Liquid-Silence, thats good
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>from the doctor
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>just came from hospital
[13:29]<fyfuym-syfggag>:)
[13:30]<fyfuym-syfggag>like 2 hours ago
[13:30]<eyd2r>Moridin8, is there an option on VisualStudio IDE that supply the exception for each method?
[13:30]<fyfuym-syfggag>zimba: Moridin8 is a php developer
[13:30]<fyfuym-syfggag>he does not even know wtf visual studio is
[13:30]<fyfuym-syfggag>:P
[13:30]<mjzymygo>Zimba: no
[13:30]<vyzusdjvnnv>just do catch(the name of the exception) and it gives you details on which namespace throws the exception
[13:31]<mjzymygo>Liquid-Silence: Yeh man. PHP is the mutts nuts
[13:31]<mjzymygo></sarcasm>
[13:31]<fyfuym-syfggag>looks I might be coding vb for the next few years
[13:31]<fyfuym-syfggag>:(
[13:31]<mjzymygo>Liquid-Silence: RUN!
[13:31]<mjzymygo>get out
[13:31]<mjzymygo>now
[13:31]<mjzymygo>while you still can
[13:31]<vyzusdjvnnv>php > ASP.NET
[13:31]<mjzymygo>PHP == sucks_cock
[13:32]<vyzusdjvnnv>why Liquid
[13:32]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: vb6
[13:32]<vyzusdjvnnv>yup
[13:32]<mjzymygo>PHP == Gay
[13:32]<vyzusdjvnnv>vb1 ;)
[13:32]<fyfuym-syfggag>VirusDotNet: because I got offered a job
[13:32]<vyzusdjvnnv>:O
[13:32]<fyfuym-syfggag>as a vb6 dev
[13:32]<vyzusdjvnnv>Liquid-Silence, you know vb6?
[13:32]<fyfuym-syfggag>yeah
[13:32]<vyzusdjvnnv>i thought C# was in high demand?
[13:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>I sorta did that for my first job
[13:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>I hate vb tho
[13:33]<vyzusdjvnnv>lol
[13:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>they asked for vb6/vb.net
[13:33]<vyzusdjvnnv>well you'll love it now ;)
[13:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>but its all the same thing
[13:33]<vyzusdjvnnv>i know little of vb.net ;)
[13:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>vb.net == c#.net
[13:33]<fyfuym-syfggag>just syntax
[13:34]<mjzymygo>VB.NET !+ c#.net
[13:34]<mjzymygo>and it's MORE than syntax
[13:34]<mjzymygo>VB.NET != c#.net
[13:34]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: not really hey
[13:34]<fyfuym-syfggag>lol
[13:34]<mjzymygo>Liquid-Silence: go on then ;) enjoy. and PAY
[13:34]<vyzusdjvnnv>vb is okay just the worded syntax
[13:34]<fyfuym-syfggag>vb.net is abit more rapid then c#
[13:34]<fyfuym-syfggag>Moridin8: what else differs
[13:34]<mjzymygo>Liquid-Silence: *LOL*
[13:34]<mjzymygo>more rapid?
[13:35]<fyfuym-syfggag>its RAD

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