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[20:42]<svzz[wjzc]>what????
[20:42]<svzz[wjzc]>those guys rocks
[20:42]<mjzymygo>*lol*
[20:43]<mjzymygo>not after the amount the CD's been played this last month
[20:43]<mjzymygo>I need a break
[20:43]<svzz[wjzc]>okay that's a good reason
[20:43]<mjzymygo>It will only give me a rest until the weekend tho, she's already online to get another copy... =(
[20:44]<svzz[wjzc]>lôl
[21:01]<mjzymygo>gotta go eat
[21:01]<mjzymygo>ciao
[21:03]<sdgrl>heya howla
[21:03]<sdgrl>got a few questions regarding treeview, hope you guys don't mind
[21:03]<sdgrl>1) I find a Collapse method, however I can't find an UnCollapse
[21:03]<sdgrl>2) How can I set the 'selected' on a node ?
[21:04]<sdgrl>aah 1) == Expand :)
[21:05]<sdgrl>ok that leaves only question 2 to be answered
[21:10]<zgzzcygnv>synap english is going to be your friend now and in the future
[21:10]<zgzzcygnv>UnCollapse is not the antonym of Collapse
[21:12]<pz2>AnarkiNet: since when has programming followed the rules of english?
[21:13]<zgzzcygnv>since everything is written in english?
[21:14]<zgzzcygnv>Its Hello World not Guten Tag World (i dont know what World is in german)
[21:14]<zgzzcygnv>but Collapse/Expand, Open/Close, Show/Hide, etc
[21:14]<zgzzcygnv>those are all english words and their antonyms
[21:14]<lnvnzxu>ravel and unravel mean the same thing...that's english for you
[21:15]<pz2>suck and blow can too :P
[21:15]<-- zzlvzjs-v77 xzs f>/dev/audio; sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem #whatever floats your boat")
[21:15]<rxrcr>unless you're a big space ship named mega maid
[21:16]<lnvnzxu>true, but only in the colloquial sense
[21:17]<sdgrl>anarkinet you are totally right, it's not always 100% logical when English is not your native :)
[21:17]<sdgrl>frb, peterhu, lol :)
[21:17]<sdgrl>anyway, how can I select a TreeNode ? :)
[21:18]<pz2>dunno, I just wrote hello.aspx last night
[21:18]<zgzzcygnv>lol: "The problem is not that criticism isn't warranted, it's that MS can't win no matter what. If they release a weak or buggy product they get slammed, but if they take too long to release they get slammed. If they don't add new features they get slammed, but if they add new features it's called bloat. If an MS product gets bad reviews the reviewers are being honest, but if they get good reviews the reviewers are obviously being paid
[21:18]<zgzzcygnv>http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=190845&cid=15698504 <-whole post
[21:19]<lnvnzxu>yeah, saw that slashdot comment
[21:19]<zgzzcygnv>i totally agree
[21:19]<pz2>Slashdot is worse for your brain than TV
[21:19]<zgzzcygnv>the OSS zealots are totally fucking full of shit
[21:19]<sdgrl>AnarkiNet: yeah, I totally agree, the fact stays that MS helps me generating a lot of money, OSS hasn't done a great job at that so far
[21:19]<zgzzcygnv>i think it would be suitable to classify them as fundies
[21:20]<sdgrl>and I've written my share of OSS software :)
[21:20]<sdgrl>I often hang out on #gnu when I am drunk
[21:20]<sdgrl>because they are so funny :)
[21:20]<zgzzcygnv>i think OSS just attracts a majority of the anarchist, anti-establishment, rebel-without-a-cause types
[21:20]<sdgrl>yep, it's true
[21:21]<pz2>that's true, but it has many other uses as well
[21:21]<zgzzcygnv>who cant fucking understand that MS is a company and therefore exists to make money
[21:21]<pz2>I understand that too, but there's a difference
[21:21]<sdgrl>the problem is that it attracts many 16 year olds who still get funded by their parents
[21:21]<zgzzcygnv>doing "just enough" is the best business model possible
[21:21]<pz2>I really don't feel their OS is worth $200, especially after it's 6 years old
[21:21]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: Doesn't meen MS hasn't done (and doesn't continue to do) some pretty bad shit.
[21:21]<sdgrl>I was exactly that when I was 16
[21:21]<zgzzcygnv>vulture actually
[21:22]<pz2>there's a big difference between profit and greed
[21:22]<zgzzcygnv>i think its your anticorporate views that classify what they have done/are doing as "pretty bad shit"
[21:22]<rjjgwq>I dont use Windows at home, but I don't hate Microsoft. There is no reason to waste so much time hating them. There are other choices out there, pick one.
[21:22]<zgzzcygnv>if you want to hate a company, hate Nike
[21:22]<zgzzcygnv>microsoft at least pays their employees huge amounts of money
[21:23]<pz2>I don;t have to hate nike, I can easily choose not to wear, or buy nike shoes
[21:23]<zgzzcygnv>Nike uses sweatshops in the third world
[21:23]<zgzzcygnv>yeah, i dont wear/buy anything from nike either
[21:23]<sdgrl>I know exactly what this discussion is going to be like
[21:23]<sdgrl>pretty useless anyway
[21:23]<pz2>but to be in productive in the modern computer world, there is no choice but to use/purchase MS software
[21:23]<zgzzcygnv>what does that say about MS software? :)
[21:23]<pz2>don't get me wrong, I'm not a totally FREE SOFTJUEAZREZ BIZATCHEs person
[21:24]<zgzzcygnv>its not bad enough that unexperienced users want to transition over to something else
[21:24]<zgzzcygnv>thus it sticks around
[21:24]<pz2>I just think they, like the RIAA are charging way too much for their products
[21:24]<sdgrl>so can someone tell me how I can do a 'select' on a treenode in a treeview ?
[21:24]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: They've been successfuly charged for a number of offences - it's not just my views.
[21:24]<zgzzcygnv>all corporations do nasty things
[21:25]<vufvuzn>that's a rather broad claim - how do you intend to back it up?
[21:25]<zgzzcygnv>you think MSFT has done bad shit? look at the 1910-1930s
[21:25]<zgzzcygnv>in the auto industry in the US
[21:25]<mupmvz>enron
[21:25]<zgzzcygnv>where people were killed or beaten over unionizing attempts
[21:25]<pz2>if I were to buy WinXP Pro with MSO, PhotoShop, and Vistual Studio, I would easily spend 4x as much on software as I did on the computer
[21:25]<vufvuzn>that doesn't justify Microsoft's behaviour
[21:25]<vufvuzn>(or any other company's)
[21:26]<pz2>if I actually wanted to RUN Visual Studio, I would have to spend another 4x on the computer
[21:26]<sdgrl>then don't buy
[21:26]<zgzzcygnv>the price on their OS has been going up however visual studio 2005 is cheaper than 2003 was when it was new, last time i checked
[21:27]<vufvuzn>Eh - as for the day-to-day of purchasing Microsoft products & using them, piracy, etc. I don't see any justification to pirate their (or anyone else's) software.
[21:27]<pz2>I don't
[21:27]<pz2>I'm just trying to put out a sensible reason why people would dislike MS, and not be complete free software zealots
[21:27]<zgzzcygnv>i run an "aquired" copy of VS2k5 because i can't afford the whole thing
[21:27]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: Then don't use the whole thing.
[21:27]<pz2>AnarkiNet: why not use Express?
[21:27]<zgzzcygnv>i make like $750 a month
[21:28]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: Simple: can't pay for it -> don't use it.
[21:28]<zgzzcygnv>vulture, and who the fuck are you to tell me what i can and can't do?
[21:28]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: I didn't say you couldn't.
[21:28]<dy>AnarkiNet: you should consider using free alternatives
[21:28]<zgzzcygnv><vulture> AnarkiNet: Then don't use the whole thing. <-
[21:28]<zgzzcygnv>yi no
[21:28]<dy>AnarkiNet: like mono/sharpdevelop
[21:28]<zgzzcygnv>those programs suck arse
[21:28]<vufvuzn>I said "don't" not "yo ucan't".

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