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[21:28]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: So make them better
[21:28]<zgzzcygnv>....
[21:28]<dy>right
[21:28]<zgzzcygnv>what a stupid fucker you are
[21:29]<vufvuzn>How so?
[21:29]<dy>i can sense how you are only making $750/month
[21:29]<zgzzcygnv>yeah, like i have time to dig through unknown code and just "make it better"?
[21:29]<dy>that attitude won't get you far in a professional environment
[21:29]<zgzzcygnv>huh maybe i have my own fucking product i'm working on?
[21:29]<vufvuzn>AnarkiNet: Exactly what do you get paid $750 a month to do?
[21:29]<zgzzcygnv>working at a fast food place
[21:30]<vufvuzn>and if you finish your product & people pirate it - how's that going to work?
[21:30]<zgzzcygnv>i dont use the express version of vs2k5 because i need the plugin support of the full version
[21:30]<zgzzcygnv>my product is free for noncommercial purposes
[21:30]<[baf79]>Is it possible to use generics with AppDomain.CreateInstanceAndUnwrap?
[21:30]<vufvuzn>ever heard of the idea of universalising moral choices? if your actions are only effective while a minority of people undertake them, then it's hardly a viable moral code.
[21:30]<zgzzcygnv>ever heard of a nice cup of stfu?
[21:31]<lnvnzxu>morales are for mortals
[21:31]<lnvnzxu>woot
[21:31]<zgzzcygnv>/ignored dumbshit
[21:31]<zgzzcygnv>yi too for good measure
[21:31]<vufvuzn>Wait - your developing a product you intend to make money from, on a pirate version of VS?
[21:31]<zgzzcygnv>i hate retarded self-righteous pricks
[21:31]<vufvuzn>*shakes head in dismay*
[21:31]<[baf79]>?
[21:32]<lnvnzxu>wait, who's using my hard work without paying for it?
[21:32]<zgzzcygnv>* Added *!*n=vulture@c-24-16-21-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net to ignore list | * Added *!*n=yi@c-67-168-191-72.hsd1.wa.comcast.net to ignore list <--theyre both probably working for MS
[21:32]<vufvuzn>peterhu: Pretty much.
[21:32]<vufvuzn>hehe - at least he has a small clue
[21:32]<mupmvz>settle down
[21:33]<[baf79]>Is it possible to use generics with AppDomain.CreateInstanceAndUnwrap?
[21:33]<[baf79]>create an instance of a generic class in it, do I pass the <generic> as the type name or what?
[21:33]<rxrcr>I dunno. If he can be successful with his venture on a pirated version, more power to him. Atleast afterwards he'll be in more of a position to purchase a copy
[21:34]<vufvuzn>chaka: except he's already failed the test - purchasing things after the fact doesn't fix it
[21:34]<rxrcr>I know of 2 guys that work at apple that started out learning Macos Toolbox on pirated versions of Codewarrior
[21:35]<zgzzcygnv>well the first 2 things i'm going to buy once i've saved enough money is a legal copy of Server 2003 R2 and VS2k5 Pro
[21:36]<rxrcr>vulture, I'm not saying it makes it right, I'm just being realistic.
[21:36]<kjr>chaka: in the words of Whitney Houston: "It's not right, but it's ok?"
[21:36]<[baf79]>hello?
[21:37]<vufvuzn>chaka: Certainly, there's a reality to it (like the fact that I used more than a pirated thing or two at LAN parties so I could play with friends)
[21:37]<-- gjmrm9ww xrs fuyv>http:www.devmatrix.org")
[21:37]<vufvuzn>Kog: Hehe *shakes head in dismay*
[21:37]<kjr>oh, the old piracy debate
[21:37]<rxrcr>[BAF64], I can certainly hear your question, I just don't know the answer off the top of my head :)
[21:37]<rxrcr>"hear" heh
[21:38]<[baf79]>hehe
[21:38]<kjr>vulture: piracy would be a lot less attractive with sensible marketing/sales practices
[21:38]<zgzzcygnv>is vulture still yapping?
[21:39]<kjr>it's a lot more effective to fight piracy if people don't *want* to steal stuff... it's why we rarely have actual piracy
[21:39]<kjr>AnarkiNet: I've never known vulture to "yap" per se
[21:39]<zgzzcygnv>if VS2k5 pro was like $100 instead of $900 or w/e
[21:39]<zgzzcygnv>i'd buy it
[21:39]<kjr>go back to school
[21:40]<zgzzcygnv>me?
[21:40]<kjr>yes you
[21:40]<zgzzcygnv>what hte fuck for
[21:40]<zgzzcygnv>the*
[21:40]<kjr>cheap software...?
[21:40]<zgzzcygnv>...
[21:40]<kjr>oh yay, an elipses conversation - this should be informative
[21:40]<zgzzcygnv>i dont want expensive crippleware, i want cheap software
[21:41]<awjzdd>you can't sell software for less than it costs to develop it.. hopefully the cost of it has something to do with the price of producing it
[21:41]<kjr>AnarkiNet: unis give out free versions of pro, depending on the school
[21:41]<vufvuzn>Kog: except he wants to make commercial products - buying student licenses wouldn't solve that problem
[21:41]<kjr>vulture: rumor has it that the licensing restrictions on academic have been lifted
[21:41]<awjzdd>if you want companies to sell 900 software for 100 just so you can afford it, they'll stop making it.
[21:41]<vufvuzn>well you could tell him that educational versions aren't crippled in any way
[21:41]<kjr>vulture: I assumed he knew that
[21:41]<vufvuzn>Kog: Seems unlikely - got any concrete reference?
[21:41]<kjr>vulture: nope
[21:41]<vufvuzn>his comment about "expensive crippleware" seemed to indicate he didn't know that
[21:41]<kjr>vulture: he put you on ignore then?
[21:42]<vufvuzn>I expect so
[21:42]<azyfm>VS Academic has no license limitations
[21:42]<azyfm>VS from MSDNAA does
[21:42]<kjr>jwormy: please... VS doesn't cost enough such that they need to charge everyone rediculous amounts of money
[21:42]<vufvuzn>Arild: That would suprise me.
[21:42]<zgzzcygnv>jwormy who says that it doesnt cost $5 per copy of vs2k5?
[21:42]<awjzdd>so vulture, have you met bill yet?
[21:42]<zgzzcygnv>(cost ms in R&D)
[21:42]<azyfm>it doesn't surprise me, I've researched this
[21:42]<zgzzcygnv>i'm not saying it does, but wheres any proof that says otherwise?
[21:42]<awjzdd>AnarkiNet: who says that it does?
[21:42]<vufvuzn>jwormy: Nope - some of my friends woh are Interns have done the Bill BBQ.
[21:42]<vufvuzn>I don't think us FTEs get to meet him
[21:43]<vufvuzn>Arild: got a reference of any kind?
[21:43]<azyfm>what's an FTE?
[21:43]<vufvuzn>Full Time Employee
[21:43]<kjr>vulture: there're only what... 300k FTEs, why should they all meet the former-CSA
[21:43]<kjr>he doesn't even work there anymore ;)
[21:43]<kjr>oh no wait, he does for what, 2 years?
[21:43]<vufvuzn>hehe ;) yeah, a couple of years
[21:44]<kjr>dunno why anyone wants to meet him, I can't imagine you'd get to have a great conversation
[21:44]<kjr>the guy is just too damn rich
[21:44]<kjr>(and busy)
[21:44]<awjzdd>i just figured i'd go ahead and ask the dumbass question
[21:44]<vufvuzn>hehe, dunno. *shrugs* Can't say it was high on my list of reasons to move over here
[21:44]<azyfm>vulture: I've read the license
[21:44]<azyfm>and diffed it with that of professional
[21:44]<awjzdd>Arild: the whole thing?

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