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[22:11]<d0`>I am still looking into JMF
[22:11]<vynvyv>i'm making a game, and i get the sounds in all sorts of different places
[22:11]<vynvyv>oh ok
[22:11]<vynvyv>i'll research that myself
[22:11]<d0`>but everyone is squealing about JMF
[22:11]<d0`>we are using it for Video encoding
[22:11]<vynvyv>squealing = good/bad?
[22:11]<d0`>bad
[22:11]<2f00mfygn>I've done Java/JSP/Servlets and PHP, how much of a learning curve will ASP.NET with C# be for me ??
[22:11]<d0`>and it doesn't support different transcoders
[22:12]<d0`>bl00dline
[22:12]<d0`>Download hte Xpress WEb VS
[22:12]<d0`>and look into the tutorials
[22:12]<d0`>Thats the only way to look how great it is
[22:12]<vynvyv>that sounds gay
[22:12]<d0`>lol
[22:12]<gjrvcxnne>m0`: ok, back... lemme whip up something though on my end so i can better hel u out... 2 mins lol
[22:12]<d0`>take ur time
[22:12]<d0`>Im loving the ants article
[22:13]<ceredtuw>With C# say I wanted to grab a file off a local machine, and send it to a server i.e. a .xml file, what methods would I use for this?
[22:13]<d0`>sockets?
[22:13]<d0`>webservices?
[22:13]<rxrcr>bl00dline, if you've setup and compiled servlets and JSPs by hand, you only need .net Framework and IIS. It's a very similar setup in function.
[22:14]<ceredtuw>m0`, whats the best / easiest way? i.e. in php I would use CURL
[22:14]<gjrvcxnne>CrazyTux: ones that would read a file, and output via xml
[22:14]<d0`>chaka, if he is new, it would be better for him to install the express edition. Don't you think
[22:14]<sdnffdxdlld>CrazyTux: you might wanna put it in context
[22:14]<sdnffdxdlld>you mean with a winapp? webapp?
[22:14]<gjrvcxnne>(ask a vague question, get a vague answer)
[22:14]<ceredtuw>smellyhippy, Yea a winapp
[22:14]<sdnffdxdlld>the servers pulls or the client pushes?
[22:14]<ceredtuw>smellyhippy, client pushes to the server
[22:15]<sdnffdxdlld>how will the server recieve?
[22:15]<d0`>it gets content of a URL
[22:15]<ceredtuw>post?
[22:15]<sdnffdxdlld>via http?
[22:15]<ceredtuw>sure?
[22:15]<sdnffdxdlld>(i'm not a web dev)
[22:15]<d0`>smellyhippy same way you did you rbot :)
[22:15]<d0`>how did yuo access msdn
[22:16]<sdnffdxdlld>1.1 or 2.0?
[22:16]<sdnffdxdlld>I access the msdn via google
[22:16]<ceredtuw>smellyhippy, 2.0
[22:16]<sdnffdxdlld>the file classes are under System.IO
[22:16]<d0`>in php a person could do, file_get_contents('http://google/myx.xml');
[22:16]<rxrcr>m0`, sure. Just saying it's not required. Back when I first transitioned from java to asp.net, first thing I learned was how system works at runtime.
[22:17]<sdnffdxdlld>HttpRequest has file upload capabilities i belive
[22:17]<sdnffdxdlld>otherwise you can manually impliment it all using TcpCLient/Socket class
[22:17]<d0`>chaka: thats the correct way to do that :) But you know many people will skip that direction heh
[22:17]<sdnffdxdlld>or theres indy sockets which is a 3rd party socket lib
[22:18]<ceredtuw>smellyhippy, I can connect to MySQL with C# right?
[22:18]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah
[22:18]<d0`>CrazyTux yes use the Mysql.NET library
[22:18]<ceredtuw>can I look it up at MSDN?
[22:18]<sdnffdxdlld>you can get ado.net libs (sql server and oricle come with the framework)
[22:18]<d0`>CrazyTux: no.. its a mysql thing
[22:19]<d0`>CrazyTux: www.mysql.net
[22:19]<sdnffdxdlld>or you can use odbc/oledb
[22:19]<ceredtuw>How would I go about including this lib with my work?
[22:19]<lyfuym-wjzc>andy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:19]<d0`>CrazyTux: you add it as ref
[22:19]<sdnffdxdlld>look up referencing other dlls/project
[22:19]<lyfuym-wjzc>andy andy andy andy
[22:19]<sdnffdxdlld>yer :P
[22:20]<lyfuym-wjzc>sup bro
[22:20]<sdnffdxdlld>not much ... just chillin with planet of the apes and trying not to be a paranoid insecure fuck ^_^
[22:20]<d0`>http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/net/1.0.html
[22:20]<d0`>CrazyTux : take a look at ^^^
[22:21]<ceredtuw>m0`, this will work with 2.0?
[22:21]<d0`>yes
[22:21]<d0`>the 1.0 is just version of that connnector
[22:22]<d0`>it is not relevant to the ver of the net framewrok
[22:22]<ceredtuw>ah
[22:23]<maxgg>if you guys don't mind me asking, is there a pattern for adding functionalities (that compiles against as determined by a plugin interface) on the fly that runs as fast as ahead of time compiled code so i can make behavioral changes and additions to production code?
[22:23]<maxgg>we have a hosting partner and they won't just let us jump in and start building stuff
[22:23]<maxgg>and uploading new builds
[22:23]<maxgg>it's a monthly thing
[22:23]<maxgg>we are realizing there is going to be a need for a plug-in framework to allow for immediate changes
[22:24]<sdnffdxdlld>something that checks what code is going to be run and varifys it as safe?
[22:24]<ceredtuw>One last question, how do I add the resource with my SharpDev IDE?
[22:24]<maxgg>the idea i have is to have this production code monitor a ftp site or URL, and download any new "patches" available
[22:24]<sdnffdxdlld>not a clue CrazyTux
[22:24]<maxgg>and then restart itself
[22:24]<maxgg>i understand i can probably do this non-stop, from the research i did on codeproject
[22:24]<sdnffdxdlld>dchen, so a plugin framework to ease updating?
[22:24]<maxgg>yes
[22:25]<maxgg>oh wait smellyhippy someone told me you were good at this stuff :)
[22:25]<maxgg>i think like.. a weekk ago someone was singing your praises
[22:25]<maxgg>:)
[22:25]<sdnffdxdlld>hehe its something I've spent a while on
[22:25]<maxgg>cool
[22:25]<maxgg>well yeah i found some incomplete examples of patterns
[22:25]<sdnffdxdlld>theres 2 types you can do ... ones that perform very well but can't be unloaded without restarting the app and some that have performance penaltys but can be unloaded
[22:25]<maxgg>where you can just like, start a separate appdomain, and use remoting to essentially have the parent appdomain run non-stop, but dump and reload the latest batch of patches (plug-ins)
[22:26]<maxgg>yeah it's a high-scalability application and i am worried that methodinfo-like invokes will suffer
[22:26]<sdnffdxdlld>yer the appdomain ones are used for unloadable plugins ... but they have the performance penalty
[22:26]<sdnffdxdlld>because of the cross appdomain remoting
[22:26]<maxgg>i think i was reading somewhere that dynamic methods are almost as fast as vtable lookups, but methodinfo's overhead (just the invoke itself) is like on the order of 150K invocations a second
[22:26]<maxgg>and just the invoke itself would flood the processor
[22:27]<lyfuym-wjzc>andy andy andy andy

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