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[05:09]<awjzdd>next think you know you're fucking painting cars to make extra money to fund your dream
[05:09]<zj2-wzc>CodeRun: You can also get involved with startups at various stages. Its a risk/reward analysis thing
[05:09]<jdvgdjgcgd>its a wild ride though, and beats the hell out of pounding keys in a cubicle
[05:09]<awjzdd>but thats what it is, just a dream
[05:10]<cjmgrug>hmmm...
[05:10]<awjzdd>and all that bondo you've been sniffin, yea thats gonna give you cancer
[05:10]<awjzdd>but yea, its fun
[05:11]<awjzdd>i mean, i should be looking for a real job right now probably
[05:11]<zj2-wzc>CodeRun: There were _lots_ and _lots_ of startups only 5 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if the failure rate was near 70% between 2000-2001
[05:11]<awjzdd>like seriously.
[05:11]<awjzdd>because the company i am working for is about to belly flop
[05:11]<awjzdd>either we're gonna belly flop or i'm gonna get fukkin rich
[05:12]<cjmgrug>cant you just be like the sheep and work for a company right after graduation, but alongside working on your startup?
[05:12]<cjmgrug>i might sound crazy saying that, since i have no idea how much work goes into it..
[05:12]<awjzdd>CodeRun: being a sheep sucks
[05:12]<jdvgdjgcgd>no you cant
[05:13]<awjzdd>CodeRun: but a lot of the time startups want commitment
[05:13]<jdvgdjgcgd>a startup requires insane levels of commitment close to obsession
[05:13]<cjmgrug>i see, rob-wrk
[05:13]<jdvgdjgcgd>you'll work salary, less than industry average pay
[05:13]<awjzdd>and that commitment is why you get the benz when yall get funded
[05:13]<jdvgdjgcgd>20hrs a day
[05:13]<awjzdd>wit a water cooler
[05:13]<awjzdd>being the only thing you get for free
[05:13]<jdvgdjgcgd>sometimes you even have to use your own crap, like your home pc and printer
[05:13]<awjzdd>why are we like, describiing my job right now?
[05:13]<jdvgdjgcgd>meetings are held on milk crates and a giant spool
[05:14]<cjmgrug>lol
[05:14]<cjmgrug>i get the point, Jivemonkey
[05:14]<jdvgdjgcgd>lol
[05:14]<awjzdd>CodeRun: its really that bad
[05:14]<jdvgdjgcgd>this is more for my sake (venting) than for yours
[05:14]<zj2-wzc>CodeRun: If you are starting your own startup expect to still spend way too much time on it, you can bootstrap it in your spare time, but its hard
[05:15]<cjmgrug>hmm..
[05:15]<awjzdd>next thing you know you're picking up side projects, to fund your dream
[05:15]<awjzdd>and you haven't worked on your dream in a month
[05:15]<awjzdd>because you gotta make some website pretty for some backyard car salesman fuckface
[05:15]<zj2-wzc>From what I have seen a successful self run startup starts with a hobby, something you are already passionate about, you need domain knowledge then the technical experiance to create something that fills a niche. good luck. ;)
[05:16]<jdvgdjgcgd>who demands a seven minute long splash screen done in flash, that plays a jimmy vaughn solo
[05:16]<cjmgrug>i see
[05:16]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: spelling correctly never hurts, either!
[05:16]<awjzdd>CodeRun: which brings me to my current project, cherokee auto.
[05:16]<zj2-wzc>spelling is for MBA type people. ;)
[05:16]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: hhaha i also suck at spelling.
[05:16]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: ooo new startup idea!!! paper with built in spell check.
[05:17]<cjmgrug>lol
[05:17]<awjzdd>CodeRun: but its all a lot of fun
[05:17]<awjzdd>CodeRun: until the project goes bad
[05:17]<cjmgrug>yes, i agree
[05:17]<cjmgrug>oh :p
[05:17]<awjzdd>CodeRun: my problem is the company i am 'creating' is funded by another company we started..
[05:18]<[dam]>not good..
[05:18]<cjmgrug>the cahnes of success are slim.. but if you get passionate people working with you, on it, wont that be good enough?
[05:18]<awjzdd>CodeRun: well that other company (sorry they not we) started grew to be pretty good sized (about 32 employees in 4 offices across the state)
[05:18]<cjmgrug>jwormy: i see..
[05:18]<cjmgrug>chances*
[05:18]<jdvgdjgcgd>did i tell you blokes i bought a sailboat the other day
[05:18]<awjzdd>CodeRun: and that company was doing super well
[05:18]<awjzdd>untilll...
[05:19]<awjzdd>you get the idea.
[05:19]<cjmgrug>hmm..
[05:19]<jdvgdjgcgd>you started spending the petty cash on cocaine and cheap wine in a box?
[05:19]<awjzdd>Jivemonkey: actually it was 8balls and hookers
[05:19]<jdvgdjgcgd>are you hiring?
[05:19]<awjzdd>LOL!
[05:19]<jdvgdjgcgd>lol
[05:20]<cjmgrug>but then, you've learnt a shitload more about the industry.. the experience is invaluable isnt it, even if it failed...
[05:20]<jdvgdjgcgd>of course
[05:20]<jdvgdjgcgd>invaluable
[05:20]<jdvgdjgcgd>plus, the chicks love it
[05:20]<awjzdd>CodeRun: yes, i mean i have a bimmer that needs to be payed for .. but hell... i've for invaluable experience...
[05:21]<awjzdd>CodeRun: maybe i should tell the bank i have invaluable experience and they'll just let it slide
[05:21]<jdvgdjgcgd>lol
[05:21]<zj2-wzc>CodeRun: everyone was passionate during the dotcom boom, I worked with people that knew deep down they that _this_ company was going to make them rich. I've seen it several times, I haven't seen anyone rich yet
[05:21]<jdvgdjgcgd>invaluable experience never means you're not so in debt that they start lobbying for debtors prison again
[05:21]<jdvgdjgcgd>but if you dont risk it
[05:21]<jdvgdjgcgd>you spend your life a cubicle jockey
[05:21]<jdvgdjgcgd>9-5, rinse repeat
[05:22]<jdvgdjgcgd>2.5 kids
[05:22]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: and at the other side of the fence... a guy i am working with is surrounded by those rich ones.
[05:22]<awjzdd>oyu're lucky if she lets you get a motorcycle
[05:22]<cjmgrug>suppose you go for an interview, and the boss sees that you've have failed startup in your resume. Is that better than having not mentioned it?
[05:22]<cjmgrug>i see, rob-wrk
[05:22]<awjzdd>CodeRun: depends on how bad it sucked.
[05:22]<zj2-wzc>CodeRun: do you have the people skills and desire to be CEO? if you just want to be a developer/engineer than a failed startup is the same experiance as any other tech project
[05:22]<jdvgdjgcgd>except for 20/hr a day work schedules
[05:23]<jdvgdjgcgd>insane unmeetable deadlines
[05:23]<awjzdd>and the water cooler rather than mountain dew.
[05:23]<jdvgdjgcgd>sleeping bag under your desk
[05:23]<awjzdd>cat disowns you
[05:23]<jdvgdjgcgd>fish dies in fish bowl, but you dont notice for six months
[05:23]<zj2-wzc>I ask interviewees about any failed projects, its a good question, I don't care if they failed with a startup or with Microsoft itself. a project is a project is a project
[05:23]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: hiring?
[05:24]<zj2-wzc>jwormy: not right now, my team is set in stone until next year when we deliver on this new project
[05:24]<cjmgrug>i see, rob-wrk
[05:24]<awjzdd>CodeRun: see, then the guys that don't care if you failed are never hiring..
[05:24]<zj2-wzc>;)
[05:24]<awjzdd>lol
[05:25]<rxrcr>bleh I hate it when bosses make idiotic requests
[05:25]<rxrcr>headin home. l8tr

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