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[05:47]<awjzdd>no kidding
[05:47]<sugsxdgnlrmd>Is there a way to know if a form/child has been opened yet without a loop?
[05:47]<awjzdd>wtf
[05:47]<awjzdd>woudl you use a loop for
[05:47]<awjzdd>for that
[05:48]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: define opened.
[05:49]<cjmgrug>any suggestions for grad school in the US, jwormy ?
[05:49]<awjzdd>CodeRun: pfft.
[05:49]<sugsxdgnlrmd>if (isset(MdiChildren["name"])) :/
[05:49]<awjzdd>CodeRun: there are like 2939434328220234 schools here
[05:49]<cjmgrug>haha
[05:49]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: a form is nothing more than a class.
[05:49]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: treat it like a normal object
[05:49]<awjzdd>and you will be fine
[05:50]<sugsxdgnlrmd>How can I know if a class with a certain name axists?
[05:51]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: you need to read.
[05:51]<zj2-wzc>SunShineLady: at runtime look into Reflection
[05:51]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: reflection isn't the right answer she just worded a question horribly
[05:51]<sugsxdgnlrmd>Can you point me to a proper reading material?
[05:52]<zj2-wzc>SunShineLady: start with Professional C# from Wrox.
[05:53]<sugsxdgnlrmd>is that a book? i thought of something more specific
[05:53]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: judging by the calibre of your questions over the past few days, its time for you to get a book
[05:54]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: sorry to say, but it seems you have a solid base in php and you're trying to transfer your knowledge without doing any reading.. and that doesn't work.... php and C# aren't very comparative.
[05:54]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: get a nice shiney new book, cosey up on teh couch, crack open a beer, and start some reading
[05:58]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: there are some nice things on there
[05:58]<sugsxdgnlrmd>kinnda and everything is going very slow
[05:58]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: very limited
[05:58]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: everything wil lcontinue going slow
[05:58]<zj2-wzc>jwormy: some, but its wheat in a sea of chaff
[05:59]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: because you're doing this all wrong
[05:59]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: it will only get worse.
[05:59]<sugsxdgnlrmd>can you alreast point me to the right direction?
[06:00]<awjzdd>we already tried.
[06:00]<sugsxdgnlrmd>yes, a whole book :/
[06:00]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: crawl before you run
[06:00]<awjzdd>otherwise your gonna bloody your nose a lot
[06:00]<zj2-wzc>SunShineLady: since I'm behind in this conversation, what is your development background and skill level, and what are you trying to accomplish?
[06:01]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: you aren't erica are you?
[06:01]<sugsxdgnlrmd>no, im not erica
[06:01]<awjzdd>hmm
[06:01]<awjzdd>rob-wrk: pm?
[06:01]<sugsxdgnlrmd>its nothing too hard, makung a gui for some program
[06:02]<zj2-wzc>and how much experiance in windows GUI design and development do you have in any language?
[06:04]<sugsxdgnlrmd>but much, i played with VB6 long time ago and im pretty good with PHP as you said
[06:04]<sugsxdgnlrmd>and some pascal at school :/
[06:05]<zj2-wzc>ok, then GUI is _not_ easy. there are many pitfalls, and unless you can get away with dragging and dropping a few buttons on a page you're probably in trouble.
[06:05]<zj2-wzc>Is this for a class or for work?
[06:05]<sugsxdgnlrmd>work
[06:06]<zj2-wzc>why is your boss having a php coder attempt to do a GUI developer's job then?
[06:07]<sugsxdgnlrmd>i don't know why but i don't want to refuse for an offer of learning another language while working and being payed for it
[06:08]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: you aren't learning it though
[06:08]<zj2-wzc>what other languages do you know besides PHP?
[06:08]<awjzdd>SunShineLady: on the track you are on you're getting nowhere fast.
[06:09]<sugsxdgnlrmd>im stuck with the classes, i can foreach all the children but that seems wrong
[06:09]<sugsxdgnlrmd>rob-wrk - only PHP/MySQL/JS/HTML and some more stuff arround
[06:10]<cjmgrug>most beginners will agree with this, when you start from the basics, it looks all real stagnant.. but once you start buildin up, it gets faster since you have strong basics..
[06:11]<zj2-wzc>SunShineLady: ok, I know this is not the answer you want to hear, but you have no chance of doing a good job of GUI programming without understanding the basics of OOP, C# and the base class libraries. In college students don't even see GUI development until late in their 2nd or 3rd years.
[06:12]<awjzdd>so go buy a boook....... .. .... ..... ......
[06:12]<awjzdd>goodnight erica!
[06:12]<awjzdd>night rob-wrk, peace CodeRun
[06:13]<sugsxdgnlrmd>night, and im not erica.
[06:13]<sugsxdgnlrmd>but whatever
[06:13]<awjzdd>lol
[06:13]<zj2-wzc>The Professional C# book covers all of the basics, and even gives a good overview of GUI near the end like chapter 18. which is to say there are a dozen other chapters you need to read first for anything to make sense. sorry there is no shortcut.
[06:14]<sugsxdgnlrmd>can't you just tell me or point me to an article on "how to know if a class/form isset runtime"?
[06:20]<sugsxdgnlrmd>okey an answer of silence, only google loves me <3 :P
[06:43]<vyzusdjvnev>Tarif you can't understand OOP you better just give up
[06:43]<vyzusdjvnev>thats why i couldn't learn C# until i learned C++
[06:44]<vyzusdjvnev>now since i know classes. I love C#
[06:44]<vyzusdjvnev>i love classes and structs but classes more :P
[06:45]<vyzusdjvnev>i just need to do some GUI programs and ASP.NET
[06:45]<vyzusdjvnev>but don't tackle GUI til you have the basics and everything else down good
[06:47]<vyzusdjvnev>i can't do shit in GUI :(
[07:38]<afd>ikea: !!!!!!!!
[07:39]<afd>eh?
[07:56]<mzguv006zj>hello
[07:57]<mzguv006zj>anybody knows how I can select some rows with OleDB not using the primary key ?
[07:58]<mzguv006zj>I mean to select them from an existing OleDbDataAdapter
[08:51]<vyzusdjvnev>they said that the new VS won't have drag and drop no more
[08:52]<cjmgrug>why?
[08:53]<vyzusdjvnev>thats what the "mono" channel on irc.gnome.org says
[08:53]<pzynsv-jp-psy>morning
[08:53]<cjmgrug>but thats just ridiculous.. are they replacing it with something else?
[08:54]<fyfuym-syfggag>CodeRun XAML
[08:54]<fyfuym-syfggag>its winfx stuff
[08:54]<cjmgrug>i see
[08:54]<vyzusdjvnev>they said that VS will turn out like mon-develop on linux
[08:54]<vyzusdjvnev>mono*
[08:55]<fyfuym-syfggag>VirusDotNET errrr
[08:55]<fyfuym-syfggag>I fucking doubt that
[08:56]<vyzusdjvnev>they said its going to stretch the controls based on screen size and change on runtime and shit
[08:56]<cjmgrug>hmm.. nice
[08:56]<vyzusdjvnev>i hate how linux does things
[08:59]<zgzzcygnv>hmmm
[09:00]<fyfuym-syfggag>sup AnarkiNet
[09:00]<vyzusdjvnev>AnarkiNet, hey you should join the mono channel ;)
[09:00]<vyzusdjvnev>on irc.gnome.org
[09:00]<zgzzcygnv>why?
[09:00]<zgzzcygnv>i don't care about linux
[09:00]<vyzusdjvnev>fucking idiots saying Borland, Sun didn't contribute to VS and the .NET

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