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[09:44]<lxzjsvd>:)
[09:44]<kjr>phrosty: but then, I think using break is lazy too
[09:44]<kjr>part of why they call me old fashioned
[09:45]<lxzjsvd>i'd just call you strange
[09:46]<kjr>why... people generally throw in break as an afterthought
[09:46]<kjr>and it's not like they actually increase legibility
[09:47]<kjr>phrosty: although, most people don't believe discipline is something programmers possess...
[09:47]<lxzjsvd>what would you do than break
[09:47]<zgzzcygnv>uhh
[09:47]<zgzzcygnv>Kog, what language are we currently talking about?
[09:47]<kjr>AnarkiNet: any language with such constructs
[09:48]<zgzzcygnv>goto is a valid construct in languages that use it...lol
[09:48]<zgzzcygnv>languages without loops and such
[09:48]<zgzzcygnv>like ASM and NSIS Script
[09:48]<kjr>phrosty: dunno, it never came down to me sitting there going "oh shit, it's either break or redesigning"
[09:48]<kjr>AnarkiNet: you know that ASM isn't what I'm talking about if you've ever read Dijkstra's article
[09:48]<kjr>ASM also isn't a high level language
[09:48]<kjr>I should have specified HLL though
[09:49]<zgzzcygnv>kog, have you seen NSIS script before?
[09:49]<zgzzcygnv>its probably the most bizzare language ever
[09:49]<kjr>AnarkiNet: I've seen some, never written any... I hear it's far more powerful than the alternatives
[09:49]<zgzzcygnv>its a combination of like... ASM and... something like Python
[09:49]<zgzzcygnv>the syntax and script construction is similar to ASM
[09:49]<zgzzcygnv>but it has a bunch of super high level features
[09:50]<kjr>so you've mentioned before
[09:50]<kjr>I never need installers heh
[09:50]<zgzzcygnv>-_-
[09:50]<kjr>when I do stuff it's generally either a small stand-alone EXE or JAR
[09:50]<kjr>and if I was doing Java I'd probably use one of the Java installer toolkits
[09:52]<zgzzcygnv>heh
[09:52]<zgzzcygnv>just never use InstallShield
[09:52]<zgzzcygnv>its a POS
[09:56]<kjr>as for the usage of GOTO in NSIS scripting languages... that falls under the rule of "unless you have a strong enough working knowledge to justify"
[09:56]<zgzzcygnv>GOTO is incredibly useful in NSIS
[09:56]<kjr>I don't have a strong enough knowledge of NSIS, but I'd suspect that it may not be the most optimal tool - even if convention is otherwise
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv>erm, it is
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv>you use it all over the place
[09:57]<kjr>I'm not saying it isn't useful in other languages... heh
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv>you make blocks like...
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv>Something:
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv> LineOfScript
[09:57]<kjr>http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~simhaweb/java/lectures/appendix/installer/install.html
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv>and Something becomes a "GOTO-able" block
[09:57]<zgzzcygnv>and you need to use "Something" when doing like a MessageBox
[09:58]<zgzzcygnv>cause you have a block to goto if the user presses yes, and a block to go to if they press no, etc
[09:58]<zgzzcygnv>or you can do line-based gotos
[09:58]<zgzzcygnv>like Goto +5
[09:58]<zgzzcygnv>to skip 5 lines ahead in the script
[09:58]<kjr>so goto is how it does function blocks
[09:58]<zgzzcygnv>not functions
[09:59]<zgzzcygnv>this is inside Function blocks
[09:59]<zgzzcygnv>for example:
[10:00]<zgzzcygnv>IntCmp $R0 0 +2 -4
[10:00]<zgzzcygnv>if the register R0 is equal to 0, then skip 2 lines ahead, if not, go back 4 lines
[10:01]<zgzzcygnv>NSIS also makes heavy use of the stack
[10:01]<kjr>registers? I guess that's where the ASM part comes in
[10:01]<zgzzcygnv>yes
[10:02]<zgzzcygnv>and the braceless syntax is also similar
[10:02]<kjr>oh hey, there's an NSIS plugin for Eclipse
[10:02]<kjr>imagine that...
[10:02]<zgzzcygnv>yeah, its pretty decent
[10:04]<kjr>I suppose I could do a INSERT INTO a temp set of tables, and upon succeess SELECT INTO
[10:04]<zgzzcygnv>heh
[10:05]<kjr>I wonder if I can call truncate within transaction blocks
[10:05]<sdnffdxdlld>mornin yall
[10:07]<zgzzcygnv>hi smippy
[10:09]<sdnffdxdlld>hmmm somehow I have avoided a hangover
[10:09]<zgzzcygnv>nice
[10:09]<zgzzcygnv>did you drink lots of water or something? :)
[10:09]<sdnffdxdlld>but i'm wondering if thats cause the alcohol hasnt left my system yet
[10:09]<sdnffdxdlld>nahhh :O
[10:09]<kjr>smellyhippy: could be
[10:10]<kjr>smellyhippy: time for a praire oyster
[10:11]<sdnffdxdlld>batsard router
[10:14]<kjr>smellyhippy: we use a linux box w/ IPTables
[10:16]<vxznrmw>hmm, what'd you guys think was the best way to create a routine that "slides" a window in/out on the screen?
[10:16]<vxznrmw>right now I just have like a loop with a myForm.Refresh() once in a while
[10:16]<sdnffdxdlld>yer well an adsl modem woul cost a similar amount to the whole router and my spare machines are used for other reasons ;)
[10:16]<sdnffdxdlld>I just need to get a new router :/
[10:16]<vxznrmw>but i figured there might be way that create a smoother slide
[10:17]<kjr>the linksys befsr41 is plenty good
[10:18]<sdnffdxdlld>I'm gonna stick with the netgears ... onyl getting one of the wired only ones
[10:19]<sdnffdxdlld>btw where on freenode.org is the TOR info?
[10:26]<kjr>dunno, nalioth said it was on there somewhere
[10:31]<zgzzcygnv>ROFL:
[10:31]<zgzzcygnv> Makes me question myspace, you'd think they have people watching for these sorts of attacks.
[10:31]<zgzzcygnv>Hah, that's like finding a loaded diaper in a garbage dump and then complaining about the level of sanitation.
[10:35]<zgzzcygnv>hey
[10:35]<zgzzcygnv>i just got a fsking brilliant idea: a "proxy"-like site that provides a "clean" wrapper for myspace
[10:36]<zgzzcygnv>eg it pulls the contents of the page and filters out the ads "fixes" lots of the holes that allow exploits in, then sends it to the browser
[10:36]<zgzzcygnv>better would even be making everything follow the same stylesheet :)
[10:59]<cjmgrug>"smellyhippy: batsard router" LOL
[11:05]<kjr>the router's parents were clearly unmarried.
[11:06]<kjr>sleeeeeeeeep
[11:16]<lyzxvxzddnz>yo !
[11:19]<vyzusdjvnev>Lighthammer, look at this
[11:19]<vyzusdjvnev>http://www.deepskyfrontier.com/#howbig02
[11:21]<sdnffdxdlld>how big? this big!
[11:21]<vyzusdjvnev>how big is this ;)
[11:22]<sdnffdxdlld>not very tbh ... I'#m qppointed :P

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