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[18:51]<zyccus>zeroflag: Core: IModule, IMessageListener, IMessageEmitter, ITaskScheduler...
[18:51]<cfudsd>maybe you are both.... if (location.contains(new person(Contract.target) & enviroment.people.count == 2 /* no witnesses around*/ & inventory.contains(new weapon("AK47") { weapon.fire() ; }
[18:51]<nnzjpfrr>rikkus: sure, and implement the message listeners/emitters several times.
[18:51]<zyccus>zeroflag: Tests is about 4 above Installer, which is last
[18:52]<nnzjpfrr>rikkus: reboot, works.
[18:53]<zyccus>zeroflag: rebooted many times over the last few weeks - it's not changed
[18:53]<nnzjpfrr>hmmm...
[18:53]<nnzjpfrr>what ide?
[18:53]<zyccus>2003
[18:53]<nnzjpfrr>uhoh.
[18:54]<zyccus>worked fine on my other machine
[18:54]<nnzjpfrr>I remember quite some bugs in 2003 concerning build orders...
[18:54]<zyccus>copied the stuff over, hacked it...
[18:54]<zyccus>ah
[18:54]<mjzymygo>rikkus: how come you ain't 2k5 by now?
[18:54]<nnzjpfrr>Moridin8: company policy, I guess.
[18:54]<zyccus>Moridin8: when I started the project, 2005 was beta, and there's no reason to port just yet
[18:55]<zyccus>we don't have company policies like that
[18:55]<nnzjpfrr>oh, you're lucky.
[18:55]<mjzymygo>i'd set aside a day to do it. it's worth it
[18:55]<nnzjpfrr>in every company I get I have to deal with stupid policies like that...
[18:55]<mjzymygo>zeroflag: hehe... you should see what smellyhippy is having to put up with
[18:55]<zyccus>Moridin8: from what I've heard, the 2005 IDE isn't too stable compared to 2003... I don't really fancy dealing with an unstable IDE
[18:56]<mjzymygo>they are only allowed to develop a single "screen" at a time.. imagine the fun there!
[18:56]<zyccus>anyway, I don't have any major problems with 1.1 at the moment that would be solved by porting to 2.0
[18:56]<mjzymygo>rikkus: believe it or not I have found the reverse to be true.
[18:56]<nnzjpfrr>rikkus: it is stable but has some strange bugs - though all of them are minor compared to 2003's...
[18:56]<cgdggvgus>rikkus: i have some time using 2k5 and i find itself stable enough
[18:56]<mjzymygo>rikkus: thats the best reason to stay with 2k3 i've heard
[18:57]<mjzymygo>well.. the hippy still needs a new router
[18:57]<nnzjpfrr>rikkus: me too, that's why I moved to 2005. ;)
[18:57]<cgdggvgus>i don't think to use vs2k3 again
[18:57]<[w]wjzc_dnvzfnzf>2k3 can be had for 5.00 USD
[18:57]<[w]wjzc_dnvzfnzf>2k5 is 800.00 USD (Professional)
[18:57]<cgdggvgus>really, i love 2k5
[18:57]<mjzymygo>I use 2k3 and 2k5... mostly 2k5 (thank the lordy)
[18:57]<[w]wjzc_dnvzfnzf>musikCube devel is still done with 2k3...
[18:57]<cgdggvgus>work_metaperl: or just got one free from a microsoft meeting :P
[18:57]<nnzjpfrr>[1]work_metaperl: as an individual you use express; as a company it doesn't matter.
[18:57]<mjzymygo>[1]work_metaperl; it's cheaper than that if you know how (legal too)
[18:58]<zyccus>apart from built-in refactoring, what's the advantage? (of the IDE... I know 2.0 has generics, which is the only thing I'd like on the language front)
[18:58]<rrd2uppnv>i am creating a small class library that i will be using in several unrelated projects... how do i ensure that any changes to the referenced assembly show up in the other projects ?
[18:58]<cgdggvgus>rikkus: did you mean the framework or the ide?
[18:58]<mjzymygo>rikkus: 2.0 is like 3/4 times faster
[18:58]<[w]wjzc_dnvzfnzf>the thing that scares me about Visual Studio is that you never know how many files it is creating and why. And then you dont know what to commit to source control
[18:58]<mjzymygo>(because of generics)
[18:58]<zyccus>Moridin8: code speed? ... not an issue here. All the work is done by SQL.
[18:58]<mjzymygo>jaybuffet: carefully
[18:58]<nnzjpfrr>rikkus: the features for Windows.Forms are major, the whole framework is much more clean and the IDE has alot more features.
[18:58]<mjzymygo>rikkus: really?
[18:59]<cgdggvgus>framework: generics, anonymous methods, nullable types, the bindingsource control and a few more stuffs i can't remember right now
[18:59]<zyccus>Moridin8: yes, this is a 'database driven' app
[18:59]<mjzymygo>yet you don't use SP's... hmmm... *leaves subject alone*
[18:59]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>man, i hate this
[18:59]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>i'm the only developer in this office
[18:59]<mjzymygo>but using 2k3 because there is no need business wise to move up, is a good move.
[18:59]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>i got nobody else to compare with.
[19:00]<rrd2uppnv>Project2501a: i feel your pain
[19:00]<mjzymygo>but only for another year.
[19:00]<mjzymygo>the sooner you move up the better in general
[19:00]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>it's like, i don't know how much i suck
[19:00]<nnzjpfrr>Project2501a: 2 months are the bare minimum for a stable software developing cycle; nothing to blame you for.
[19:00]<[w]wjzc_dnvzfnzf>isn't there some diff in the directory structure between 2k3 and 2k5
[19:00]<mjzymygo>Project2501a: you have this room ;)
[19:00]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>Moridin8: feeling like doing a code review for me?
[19:00]<mjzymygo>[1]work_metaperl: yeh. 2k5 tends to hide stuff from you unless you look for it. makes it simpler
[19:00]<cgdggvgus>project2501a: if you think you suck, belive me, you'll suck
[19:00]<zyccus>Moridin8: priority #1 is getting the old VB6 stuff ported... we can worry about 1.1 -> 2.0 another time. That's easy.
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>shit, i'll pay ppl
[19:01]<mjzymygo>Project2501a: the peeps in this room would as a whole
[19:01]<nnzjpfrr>Project2501a: I second kementeus' comment. -_-
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>hmmmm
[19:01]<mjzymygo>rikkus: sounds like a good move then.
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>how about i buy you guys beer :)
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>of the good kind? :>
[19:01]<rrd2uppnv>Project2501a: i thought the same thing until i had an interview the other day and they wanted to see my code.. and they said i was doing it better than most the developers there... so dont listen to kementeus
[19:01]<nnzjpfrr>what do you consider good?
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>not the sucky-piss-ass shit :)
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>heh
[19:01]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>zeroflag: i consider good, not making it to the DailyWTF front page :)
[19:02]<nnzjpfrr>wow
[19:02]<nnzjpfrr>that's low...
[19:02]<mjzymygo>Project2501a: a good way to be good is to pay GOOD attention to whats here... http://msdn.microsoft.com/practices/
[19:02]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>HAHHAHAHAHAHA
[19:02]<cgdggvgus>ok, never listen to me, and always think you suck
[19:02]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>nobody said i have high self esteem :)
[19:02]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>hehehe
[19:02]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>thank you guys for trying to cheer me up
[19:02]<mjzymygo>especailly HERE http://msdn.microsoft.com/practices/guidetype/Guides/default.aspx
[19:02]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>i'm just in a down mood swing :)
[19:02]<mjzymygo>Project2501a: http://msdn.microsoft.com/practices/guidetype/Guides/default.aspx
[19:02]<cgdggvgus>it is easy, you are what you think
[19:02]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>really?
[19:03]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>Hmmm
[19:03]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>I think i'm ritch?
[19:03]<cgdggvgus>if you work hard you would be...
[19:03]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>ah, so self = work + thought
[19:03]<cgdggvgus>yep
[19:03]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>not just self = thought

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