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[12:31]<kjr>the other thing that's bogus is no one ever tells you how much they want to pay
[12:31]<kjr>DOE, negotiable, commensurate upon experience
[12:31]<kjr>just give me a goddamn number
[12:31]<vxznrmw>hehe
[12:31]<kjr>don't even have to be accurate - you just can't pay LESS than the number quoted
[12:31]<rwyfcygs>They always advertise more than they want to pay too
[12:32]<rwyfcygs>I phoned up the job vulture for one they were marking at £28-34
[12:32]<rwyfcygs>He basically said that there was no way they wanted to pay above £30
[12:32]<vxznrmw>heh
[12:32]<kjr>and apparently XSLT is now a database technology
[12:32]<vxznrmw>lovely
[12:32]<vxznrmw>Kog, hah, says who? :)
[12:33]<kjr>threadw: whoever these cocksuckers are
[12:33]<rwyfcygs>Which kinda fubared that , because I earn £38 (even if I'm willing to take a £4k cut to get rid of my 4 hours daily commuting)
[12:33]<kjr>rikkus: me
[12:33]<vxznrmw>sounds interesting :P
[12:33]<rwyfcygs>I went into a job and actually named my salary once.
[12:33]<kjr>awilkins: me too, then they told me to shove it
[12:33]<zyccus>ah, I thought it was just to attract people... I've only ever done one non-contract programming job (this one) and it was just down as 'competitive'
[12:34]<rwyfcygs>'twas probably low, but it was a £6k raise for me.
[12:34]<kjr>rikkus: oh yeah, I love "competitive" too
[12:34]<rwyfcygs>They gave it to me
[12:34]<kjr>who are you competing with exactly?
[12:34]<kjr>the Yeti?
[12:34]<zyccus>Kog: 'competitive' just means 'the lowest you will accept'
[12:34]<rwyfcygs>"every other fucker who wants the job"
[12:34]<kjr>"shit, we'll pay you in 35 tons of bananas"
[12:35]<slzygc>Is there a socket type component like there is in VB or do I gotta code all that myself?
[12:35]<mjzymygo>rikkus: in my experience doing some recruitment, unless there is a real need, usually the company will employ the cheapest candidate... nothing to do with experience and shit.
[12:35]<rwyfcygs>But what they want you to think is "we're competing with other people in the marketplace for *your special talent* <cheesy grin>"
[12:35]<zyccus>sprink: system.net.sockets
[12:35]<vxznrmw>sprink, there's the TcpClient socket wrapper
[12:35]<slzygc>cool. thanks
[12:35]<zyccus>Moridin8: yep
[12:35]<vxznrmw>that's the closest thing you'll get to "easy socket access".
[12:35]<mjzymygo>it's a crap idea, but it's very common.
[12:35]<mjzymygo>"one developer is as good as the next"
[12:35]<rwyfcygs>Outside of Bangkok, anyway
[12:35]<rwyfcygs>(socket access, not developer goodness)
[12:36]<kjr>threadw: because any of the socket stuff is difficult...?
[12:36]<zyccus>awilkins: bad joke
[12:36]<kjr>I don't know why all these neophite programmers think sockets are so difficult
[12:36]<kjr>hell, in SysV they're plenty easy
[12:36]<vxznrmw>Kog, if he's used to the delicious winsock form component in vb6, it might be?
[12:36]<kjr>it's just Winsock that blows
[12:37]<kjr>threadw: then homeboy should write in something that doesn't suck!
[12:37]<rwyfcygs>Yeah, we always used IP!Works instead
[12:37]<vxznrmw>Kog, true that
[12:37]<y-gz>shut the fuck upAre you afraid of sex?
[12:37]<y-gz>man I love those bots :P
[12:37]<y-gz>FUCK OFF
[12:37]<y-gz>Tell me about something about your sexual history.
[12:37]<rwyfcygs>Is Lolita one of those bots?
[12:37]<y-gz>:P
[12:37]<y-gz>nah emacs psychiatrist
[12:37]<y-gz>;)
[12:38]<y-gz>elisa i think iti s
[12:38]<rwyfcygs>Naah, Lolita is someone who comes in here and mixes programming questions with inappropriately intimate queries.
[12:39]<nnzjpfrr>that sounds fun...
[12:39]<kjr>awilkins: naw, just some boring ass user
[12:39]<kjr>awilkins: probably a Jeremy Irons fan
[12:39]<kjr>although... it might be Roman Polanskii, in the flesh
[12:40]<rwyfcygs>OK guys, think up something for me to do today
[12:40]<kjr>awilkins: doublecheck the Y2K compliance against the 2012 problem
[12:40]<rwyfcygs>A fair number of you are UK citizens, and your tax pounds should be spent in a fiscally repsponsible manner,
[12:40]<rwyfcygs>Or at least, a semi-democratic one
[12:41]<kjr>awilkins: what, does everyone in Britain have to pay with a pound of flesh? I thought those were Venecian Merchants, as written about by Willy
[12:41]<rwyfcygs>I don't think we have any *nix systems that suffer from 2012
[12:41]<kjr>awilkins: like hell you don't
[12:41]<y-gz>2012 ?
[12:41]<kjr>you don't know what happens in 2012 then do you
[12:41]<rwyfcygs>We seem to be all-windows
[12:41]<rwyfcygs>Ermm..... I've forgotten
[12:42]<rwyfcygs>It's a datatype width problem, obviously
[12:42]<kjr>there's a specific calendar that ends in 2012
[12:42]<rwyfcygs>Mayan end of days
[12:42]<y-gz>oh yea
[12:42]<y-gz>the apocalypse
[12:42]<y-gz>right ;)
[12:42]<kjr>the end of the Fifth Age
[12:42]<rwyfcygs>I associate that with hope, curiously
[12:42]<rwyfcygs>Mainly because of the backstory in "Hostile Waters"
[12:43]<kjr>awilkins: so tell your employers you're running a Christmas 2012 survivability study
[12:43]<kjr>awilkins: to make sure the calendar object survives certain localization features
[12:43]<rwyfcygs>Does working for the government count as "employed"?
[12:43]<kjr>awilkins: it could be devistating to any central/south american business the UK may still have
[12:43]<rwyfcygs>And does the calendar object have a "Mayan" localiztion
[12:43]<rwyfcygs>Hmm.
[12:44]<kjr>working for governments does not count as working, no
[12:44]<kjr>if you can't get fired, it doesn't count
[12:44]<rwyfcygs>I think I could get fired.
[12:44]<rwyfcygs>I'm not sure.
[12:44]<kjr>if you shot the queen
[12:44]<kjr>no wait, she died didn't she
[12:44]<rwyfcygs>Oh shit, I have a stupid post review in three days, that's answered the question of what I'll be doing ; compounding ways to justify my existences
[12:45]<rwyfcygs>No, the Queen Mother died
[12:45]<rwyfcygs>Elizabeth II is still very much alive
[12:45]<kjr>someone should update wikipedia
[12:45]<kjr>no wait, sorry... misread elizabeth as mary
[12:45]<vxznrmw>common mistake

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