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[00:49]<vyzusdjvnev>i don't knock offs
[00:49]<fnzjy>yeah
[00:49]<vyzusdjvnev>like 3rd party shit
[00:49]<txnjzd>if I wanted to troll, I'd point out most features in windows are copied from elsewhere :-)
[00:50]<fnzjy>lol
[00:50]<sdnffdxdlld>;)
[00:50]<y-gz>nextstep
[00:50]<y-gz>lol
[00:50]<vyzusdjvnev>like my mom instead of buying name brand grocies she buys the off brand on es and i hate it
[00:50]<txnjzd>anyway, back to php coding :-)
[00:51]<vyzusdjvnev>*shudders*
[00:51]<sdnffdxdlld>yer after 5 hrs of Daria I should prolly grab some sleep
[00:52]<sdnffdxdlld>night yall
[00:52]<y-gz>leroi: http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/demo.html
[00:52]<vyzusdjvnev>night smellyhippy
[00:52]<zdllnz>public void foo(string s, <accepting a function that returns bool and accepts string);
[00:52]<zdllnz>how would I do that?
[00:53]<txnjzd>declare a delegate
[00:56]<fnzjy>i-nZ: What is that?
[00:56]<y-gz>check it out
[00:56]<y-gz>actually everyone else check that out too
[00:56]<y-gz>:)
[00:56]<fnzjy>nah i don't need linux
[00:56]<fnzjy>;p
[00:57]<y-gz>well this doesn't mean to ignore anything that is linux
[00:57]<rtdfyrrf>i-nZ, I missed it. What are we supposed to check out?
[00:57]<y-gz>check that out
[00:57]<y-gz>http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/demo.html
[00:57]<y-gz>it's a flash demo
[00:57]<fnzjy>i do ignore anything that is other than windows
[00:57]<fnzjy>i'm still not a windows expert yet
[00:57]<rtdfyrrf>i-nZ, already got it. ;-)
[00:58]<rtdfyrrf>i-nZ, I only wish they had a better IDE. :-(
[00:59]<y-gz>huh
[00:59]<y-gz>i think people are too dependand on VS
[00:59]<y-gz>that's really bad
[01:00]<fnzjy>no it's not
[01:00]<rtdfyrrf>Try finding a book that doesn't use it as the primary tool.
[01:01]<txnjzd>http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0596007922/202-9738135-3525435?v=glance&n=266239 I suspect :-)
[01:02]<rtdfyrrf>Sorry, I should have said try finding an intro book that doesn't use it.
[01:02]<rtdfyrrf>I need to do a Vulcan mind-meld with a programmer.
[01:03]<y-gz>it's just a tool
[01:03]<txnjzd>well, chapter 2 is called "Getting Started with C#"...
[01:03]<rtdfyrrf>You calling me a tool?
[01:03]<y-gz>you should definitly not be dependand on it
[01:03]<rtdfyrrf>;-)
[01:03]<y-gz>I have that Mono book
[01:03]<rtdfyrrf>But it's so easy to use and
[01:03]<txnjzd>my compiler is just a tool, I'm fairly dependant on it...
[01:05]<y-gz>the fact is that if I give you notepad to code in
[01:05]<mracn>i-nZ: Wow, so many bullshit buzzwords in so little time and space! The interface looks nice though.
[01:05]<y-gz>you should be as good as in VS
[01:05]<txnjzd>"as good"?
[01:05]<fnzjy>lol
[01:05]<fnzjy>how about as productive
[01:05]<fnzjy>so that point is mute
[01:06]<fnzjy>IMHO
[01:06]<y-gz>productive
[01:06]<txnjzd>there is no way I would be as productive in an editor without intellisense
[01:06]<y-gz>autocompletion makes people dumb
[01:06]<mracn>ditto
[01:06]<txnjzd>I disagree
[01:06]<mracn>naw
[01:06]<mracn>it makes people code faster I'd say
[01:06]<txnjzd>I would say intellisense is just a very slick interface to the documentation
[01:06]<mracn>autocompletion in itself doesn't impose any coding standards on you
[01:06]<mracn>and as such, it doesn't make you a better, nor worse programmer
[01:06]<mracn>it does make you save time though
[01:07]<fnzjy>people make bad choices which in return make them dumb
[01:07]<y-gz>it makes you don't remmember things
[01:07]<mracn>I think you got it backwards
[01:07]<mracn>people make bad choices because they are dumb
[01:07]<fnzjy>that's funny cause i don't have a memory problem
[01:07]<mracn>not the other way around
[01:07]<fnzjy>no people arn't dumb
[01:07]<fnzjy>their choices can be
[01:07]<y-gz>I doubt you have coded in something that doesn't have autocompletion more than 2 days than
[01:08]<mracn>sure, but we're talking about cronic stupidity here
[01:08]<fnzjy>i-nZ: you have no idea what i've done
[01:08]<mracn>not the casual "oops, I managed to back into the neighbours tree again"-stupidity
[01:08]<fnzjy>lol
[01:09]<mracn>and if you're constantly making stupid choices, odds are you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed
[01:09]<y-gz>What I am saying I am saying from my personal experience
[01:09]<mracn>intellisense or not
[01:09]<y-gz>but well it's just me and my emacs
[01:09]<mracn>that being said, going from intellisense to non-intellisense is way harder than the other way around
[01:09]<mracn>you do get used to it very fast
[01:10]<mracn>but I don't agree that it somehow makes you more stupid, or smarter for that matter
[01:10]<mracn>it's just a help
[01:10]<fnzjy>aye it is
[01:10]<fnzjy>good help at that
[01:10]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>omg, gay-ass crow look.
[01:10]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>emo!
[01:10]<mracn>indeed
[01:11]<mracn>anyways, it's way past my bed time
[01:11]<mracn>gnie
[01:11]<mracn>gnite too
[01:11]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>me, too
[01:11]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>niiiight







