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[02:57]<dbq>3 in the morning
[02:57]<rgmznrs__>DB2, do that, you will be surprised
[02:57]<zgzzcygnv>sharpdevelop and monodevelop = lame
[02:57]<dbq>and in 7-8 hours, the rockets will start flying over here
[02:57]<dbq>and i'll need to wake up, and go to shelter
[02:57]<rgmznrs__>:(
[02:57]<dbq>so good night all, and have a good day
[02:57]<zgzzcygnv>erm
[02:57]<rgmznrs__>good night
[02:57]<zgzzcygnv>are you in iraq or something?
[02:57]<dbq>and thanks for the help
[02:57]<fnzjy>lol
[02:57]<dbq>northen israel..
[02:57]<fnzjy>don't get shot
[02:57]<svlnvnz>vs = lame
[02:57]<zgzzcygnv>ah
[02:57]<fnzjy>stpuffer: silence!
[02:58]<dbq>i'll read about ado.net tommorow
[02:58]<dbq>and if i'll have questions i'll come
[02:58]<svlnvnz>blah
[02:59]<svlnvnz>someone tryed boo?
[02:59]<rgmznrs__>AnarkiNet, I would be interested to hear your arguments against Sharpdevelop - that is, if you have something sensible to come up with ("lame" won't cut it)
[02:59]<rgmznrs__>stpeter, slightly
[02:59]<zgzzcygnv>no just lame
[03:00]<svlnvnz>seems a good script :)
[03:00]<zgzzcygnv>im too busy looking for 2d game programming resources to try and convince a FOSS-zealot that VS is superior so...yeah.
[03:01]<fnzjy>eh anyone aposing vs just can't afford it IMHO
[03:01]<rgmznrs__>anyone can "afford" the express edition
[03:02]<fnzjy>true there
[03:02]<svlnvnz>i don't like vs need an installation and is really cpu and hd intensive
[03:04]<svlnvnz>neural networks lib for c#?
[03:05]<zgzzcygnv>lol
[03:05]<zgzzcygnv>cpu and hd intensive eh?
[03:05]<zgzzcygnv>did your mommy tell you that?
[03:05]<svlnvnz>ehm i don't speak english very well, sorry
[03:08]<rgmznrs__>AnarkiNet, what's lame is your trolling - you should get back to googling for sprites asap
[03:12]<znzznss>can you have a list of a list of a class?
[03:13]<svlnvnz>regress: why not?
[03:13]<znzznss>I think I ran into a problem with it...I'll try again
[03:14]<rgmznrs__>List<List<MyClass>>
[03:14]<svlnvnz>how can i define the calling convention of a callback?
[03:15]<rgmznrs__>delegates? interfaces?
[03:17]<svlnvnz>i have a com object i pass the managed delegate as parameter to the Setcallback com method
[03:17]<svlnvnz>marshalled as functionptr
[03:17]<svlnvnz>the delegate gets called only the first time and the program crash
[03:18]<svlnvnz>i thik is a problem about callingconventions
[03:18]<svlnvnz>because the signature is very simple
[03:18]<svlnvnz>void func(IntPtr)
[03:30]<svlnvnz>argh i can't is fixed to __stdcall
[03:31]<svlnvnz>but from unmanaged code the call is cdecl
[03:41]<sjmn_mumn>hi
[03:41]<sjmn_mumn>I'm a c++ developer looking to move to c#, what do i need to know ?
[03:42]<zgzzcygnv>C#
[03:42]<sjmn_mumn>oh, well if that's all, great
[03:42]<sjmn_mumn>what's the GUI interface for c# ?
[03:43]<sjmn_mumn>still using Win32 api ?
[03:45]<svlnvnz>the interfaces are generic
[03:45]<svlnvnz>by default the microsoft runtime uses gdi
[03:45]<svlnvnz>mono runtime use gtk
[03:46]<svlnvnz>yessss .net 2.0 : [UnmanagedFunctionPointer(CallingConvention.Cdecl)]
[03:46]<svlnvnz>i'm happy
[03:49]<sjmn_mumn>so MS provides one ?
[03:49]<sjmn_mumn>I did see Wx.net
[03:49]<sjmn_mumn>if I write a .NET app, is it going to run on linux with gnu.net ?
[03:50]<svlnvnz>depends of what classes u use
[03:50]<sjmn_mumn>I don't know what classes there are
[03:51]<svlnvnz>try with mono and microsoft clr/classlibrary
[03:51]<svlnvnz>wx.net could be a good choice :)
[03:51]<svlnvnz>for gui
[03:52]<sjmn_mumn>I have sharpdevelop, and it makes windows, what is it using ?
[03:52]<sjmn_mumn>Drawing and Windows.forms.
[03:53]<sjmn_mumn>I'm going to assume that Windows.Forms are the GUI, do those run on gnu.net or mono ?
[03:53]<svlnvnz>i think yes
[03:54]<svlnvnz>anyway u should try
[03:54]<sjmn_mumn>I'm going to. now for data acess, that do I have ? I want to use ado, but I'm sure that won't run on linux
[03:54]<svlnvnz>the behavior probably differs is some way, from one to other
[03:55]<svlnvnz>yes i think mono supports ado
[03:55]<svlnvnz>mono works also on linux
[03:55]<svlnvnz>there is also a webpage where u can check the supported classes
[03:56]<svlnvnz>gnu.net webpage?
[03:57]<svlnvnz>http://www.go-mono.com/docs/
[03:59]<sjmn_mumn>can i compile c# into native code
[04:00]<zgzzcygnv>not really
[04:00]<svlnvnz>with ms.net 2.0 yes
[04:00]<svlnvnz>and also mono
[04:00]<svlnvnz>it's calle ahead of time compilation
[04:00]<svlnvnz>*called
[04:00]<sjmn_mumn>are .net apps slow. because the VC.net is slow, and the sharpdevelop is slow
[04:00]<sjmn_mumn>er slugish
[04:02]<svlnvnz>sure C is always faster
[04:02]<svlnvnz>anyway aot compilation give u some perf boost
[04:02]<svlnvnz>try the ngen tool in ms.net2.0
[04:03]<sjmn_mumn>I'm not that far into it just yet, I don't have any projects
[04:03]<sjmn_mumn>I'm trying trying to decide on ruby or C#
[04:05]<svlnvnz>i prefer ruby
[04:06]<svlnvnz>some_dude: look also boo.codehaus.de
[04:06]<svlnvnz>some_dude: anyway ruby is not paragonable to .net that is not c#
[04:07]<svlnvnz>some cli brifge for ruby could be very good :)
[04:07]<svlnvnz>*bridge
[04:07]<svlnvnz>there are already a project in mono for that

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