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[08:46]<zgzzcygnv>just not
[08:46]<djapxggyx>why not?
[08:46]<zgzzcygnv>well, for one
[08:46]<zgzzcygnv>he asked about VS
[08:46]<zgzzcygnv>not crapdevelop
[08:47]<djapxggyx>meh
[08:47]<djapxggyx>id rather use something that isnt bloated
[08:47]<djapxggyx>tyvm
[08:47]<zgzzcygnv>yes, you do that
[08:47]<zgzzcygnv>and keep it to yourself
[08:47]<pzw>sprink: heh
[08:47]<pzw>sprink: i need one to pet
[08:48]<pzw>Im gonna program a tamagotchi software and have it as a toy
[08:48]<djapxggyx>give me five things about #develop that are bad?
[08:48]<pzw>and im gonna slap the pet all day long
[08:48]<djapxggyx>LOL frW
[08:48]<pzw>DocPheniX: first of all, it starts with a #
[08:48]<slzygc>would be okay if it ended with a #
[08:48]<djapxggyx>um ok
[08:48]<pzw>second of all, read the first one
[08:49]<djapxggyx>and this is bad why?
[08:49]<pzw>not all people know how to write a #
[08:49]<djapxggyx>LOL
[08:49]<djapxggyx>sharp
[08:49]<pzw>i know im sharp
[08:49]<djapxggyx>ffs im a n00b and i know that
[08:49]<djapxggyx>well
[08:49]<djapxggyx>n00b to c# and coding
[08:50]<pzw>k me too wanna join my club?
[08:50]<djapxggyx>cept them good old days kickin back with my vic 20 coding games in basic
[08:50]<djapxggyx>XD
[08:50]<pzw>qb ftw
[08:51]<pzw>qbasic that is
[08:51]<djapxggyx>yes,
[08:51]<slzygc>cobol ftw
[08:51]<djapxggyx>gorrilas.bas FTW
[08:51]<pzw>C-SHARP ftw
[08:51]<djapxggyx>true
[08:51]<pzw>i dont know how to write the # i alwasy copy / paste
[08:52]<djapxggyx>i swear cobol is some of the most nonsensical code ive ever seen in my life
[08:52]<djapxggyx>it makes absolutely no sense to me
[08:52]<pzw>DocPheniX: have you heard of brainfuck?
[08:52]<djapxggyx>yep
[08:53]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>uh
[08:53]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>guys
[08:53]<slzygc>DocPheniX.. it was written in the 50s
[08:53]<djapxggyx>never used it
[08:53]<slzygc>give it a break
[08:53]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>you're not in WoW any more.
[08:53]<djapxggyx>lol true
[08:53]<djapxggyx>LOL
[08:53]<pzw>Project2501a: wha ??11?oneone
[08:53]<djapxggyx>ever seen some of the wow emulators writen in c#?
[08:53]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>stfu
[08:53]<djapxggyx>thats some crazy code
[08:54]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>wow emulators?
[08:54]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>wtf?
[08:54]<pzw>Project2501a: i knw what you mean, i hate the way people write aswell :(
[08:54]<slzygc>WoW sever emulators
[08:54]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>oh
[08:54]<djapxggyx>yes sprink
[08:54]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>how is it crazy?
[08:54]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>it's just a server.
[08:54]<djapxggyx>like its just confusing for a noob
[08:54]<slzygc>lol
[08:55]<djapxggyx>its like "what the fuck, what class is that referencing"
[08:55]<pzw>WTF TETRIS FOR 30 DOLLARS?!!?!?
[08:55]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>grab a copy of Steven's "TCP/IP Programming".
[08:55]<djapxggyx>got a link to the amazon page Project2501a?
[08:55]<pzw>DocPheniX: i got this one, it is pretty good http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0782141765/102-1414872-8426551?v=glance&n=283155
[08:56]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131411551/sr=8-1/qid=1153720433/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0610849-8616143?ie=UTF8
[08:56]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201633469/sr=8-2/qid=1153720433/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-0610849-8616143?ie=UTF8
[08:56]<pzw>Project2501a: look at my link
[08:56]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>No
[08:56]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>YOU
[08:56]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>DO NOT
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>START FROM
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>THAT
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>BOOK
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>Stevens > *
[08:57]<pzw>lol
[08:57]<pzw>Project2501a: have you read it?
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>yes
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>but i read stevens before anything else.
[08:57]<pzw>do you like it?
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>you'll be stupid for EVER if you don't start with stevens
[08:57]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>yes, i did
[08:57]<pzw>heh ok
[08:58]<pzw>i just got the Windows Forms 2.0 Progrmaming
[08:58]<pzw>and im gonna get Windows Forms in Action and" Windows Forms and Custom Controls"
[09:06]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>frW: you got to learn C for a simple reason: C# gives you an abstraction layer from the machine itself
[09:07]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>while you're within normal bounds of a normal application, you'll never see the machine or it's limitations
[09:07]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>the very first example, is pointers
[09:07]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>can you do pointer arithmetic?
[09:08]<pzw>nop
[09:08]<pzw>Im kinda new to C#
[09:08]<pzw>only done it since last year
[09:08]<pzrrnrvqt0wr>can you tell the difference between passing by reference and passing by value?
[09:08]<pzw>Yes i know all about stack / heap and memory handling..
[09:09]<pzw>and i guess that covers seeing the difference between references and values

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