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[02:51]<slzygc>gentoo? why in the world
[02:51]<kjr>except for one my co-worker put in that's Ubuntu
[02:51]<kjr>why anyone would use a headed distro for a server... I don't quite know
[02:51]<slzygc>why in the world would you want to run a bleeding edge distro for a server
[02:52]<kjr>works just fine actually
[02:52]<kjr>and the dependency management is better than apt-get
[02:52]<kjr>you probably don't believe in running MySQL5.1 or PG8.1
[02:52]<kjr>but you should be
[02:52]<kjr>and they'll make their way to Debian in about 10 fucking years from now
[02:53]<slzygc>hmm.. I dont know about that.. I'm use to portage and apt and I think apt is better developed
[02:53]<kjr>sprink: apt isn't nearly as fine grained or as informative
[02:53]<kjr>sprink: anyway, portage is being replaced
[02:53]<kjr>by Paludis or however one spells it
[02:54]<slzygc>replaced?
[02:54]<slzygc>Haven't heard of that
[02:54]<kjr>yes, by something not written in PYthon
[02:54]<kjr>no, I can't imagine you would have
[02:54]<kjr>it hasn't been announced
[02:54]<slzygc>hehe :)
[02:54]<kjr>I just happen to know the people writing it
[02:54]<kjr>and they won't shut up about it :(
[02:55]<rxrcr>Kog, that sounds promising
[02:55]<slzygc>well.. I dont care much really.. i'm not a gentoo fan.. and I dont run bleeding edge software in linux
[02:55]<kjr>sprink: there's a difference between bleeding edge and not growing mold
[02:56]<kjr>sprink: are you even running a 2.6 kernel?
[02:56]<slzygc>yes
[02:56]<kjr>thank god
[02:56]<slzygc>2.6 stable
[02:56]<kjr>sprink: I gotta say, I wasn't too happy about the swapping out to udev
[02:56]<kjr>but... other than that, I'm just fine
[02:56]<kjr>sprink: I even managed to fix it when one of my moronic co-workers switched the march on GCC
[02:56]<kjr>sprink: then ran an emerge world
[02:57]<slzygc>lol
[02:57]<kjr>it was easy enough to build a binary ebuild and fix it
[02:57]<kjr>then intentionally break the noncoa profiles
[02:58]<slzygc>you know.. if it was MY servers
[02:58]<kjr>sprink: the better question is why my boss still runs the Ubuntu box as a server
[02:58]<slzygc>I wouldn't even run linux.
[02:58]<kjr>well, we're a linux shop... and we don't get enough volume to care
[02:58]<slzygc>I'd run a real unix or openbsd. atleast
[02:58]<kjr>openbsd isn't a real unix?
[02:58]<kjr>don't tell Theo that
[02:58]<slzygc>yes it is.. lol
[02:58]<kjr>sprink: I snagged an OpenSolaris disk yesterday
[02:58]<kjr>spent some time talking to the folks at their booth
[02:58]<kjr>gonna throw it on my new vmware server
[02:59]<slzygc>ewww. vmware
[02:59]<kjr>sprink: I think that if we were switching to a higher volume environment Solaris itself might be an excellent choice... it scales a lot better than linux apparently
[03:00]<kjr>and I wouldn't run OpenBSD on anything I needed to say... run Apache on
[03:00]<kjr>or anything requiring Java
[03:00]<slzygc>what? why?.. apache runs fine in openbsd
[03:01]<slzygc>But.. I wouldn't even run apache as a web server
[03:01]<kjr>sprink: not if you enjoy running Apache2
[03:01]<kjr>but that's probably too "bleeding edge" for you
[03:01]<rxrcr>I used to use fbsd but switched to gentoo for that exact same reason
[03:01]<slzygc>yes.. it is
[03:01]<slzygc>fbsd is crap
[03:02]<gxysvggz>What static constructors are used for?
[03:02]<slzygc>Well.. I cant say that.. but for a desktop.. I wouldn't use bsd
[03:02]<rxrcr>debian might be closing the gap, but debian was crap for a long time before it got good
[03:02]<rxrcr>and fbsd's been on top of it's game for a while
[03:03]<kjr>bah, they stopped dating changelog
[03:03]<kjr>chaka: depending on what I'm doing I might consider one over the other
[03:03]<kjr>but it's safe to say I know linux a shit ton better than unix
[03:03]<[rg]sjryjlrvx>is it possible making good programs?
[03:03]<[rg]sjryjlrvx>with C#
[03:03]<[rg]sjryjlrvx>without using an API?
[03:03]<slzygc>Kog. once you meet that line of features you need in a service/server.. you stop there and only add security updates from then on out
[03:04]<kjr>not necessarily
[03:04]<kjr>we have a live programming shop
[03:04]<kjr>sprink: there are reasons to swap to MySQL5 over MySQL4
[03:04]<kjr>namely ACID, but also performance
[03:07]<slzygc>I'v never managed servers for any hosting companys or heavy load servers.. so performace was never a issue
[03:07]<kjr>apparently 6 years is too fresh for you
[03:07]<kjr>jesus, your concept of bleeding age sounds like you're part of the NSC
[03:07]<kjr>(that's the naval standards comission, not the national security committee)
[03:07]<kjr>"YOU SHOULD BE WRITING IN ADA! USING OLD ASS EQUIPMENT! NO WE CAN'T USE LOWERCASE LETTERS, THIS IS WRITTEN IN FORTRAN!"
[03:08]<rxrcr>Kog, for sure, I'm just pointing out to sprink that unilaterally panning fbsd is silly, it's pretty solid unless you need java or some other native linux binary app
[03:08]<kjr>chaka: there are other problems with it
[03:08]<kjr>chaka: such as the very obvious problem: FreeBSD5
[03:08]<kjr>AKA the FreeBSD Shall Not Be Named or Used Ever
[03:11]<frsvfd>anyone got any advice re code profiling?
[03:11]<frsvfd>e.g. finding out where the bottlenecks ...
[03:11]<frsvfd>how long it takes to execute certain sections of code
[03:11]<kjr>the great first place to start with optomization is looking at your algorithms in terms of Big O
[03:11]<frsvfd>Big O?
[03:12]<frsvfd>0
[03:12]<rxrcr>Kog: whats wrong with 5-6? I haven't used fbsd since 4.11
[03:12]<kjr>5 blew
[03:12]<kjr>5.0->5.3 were all totally horrible
[03:12]<kjr>5.4 seems to be ok
[03:13]<kjr>then along came 6 and everyone ditched 5
[03:13]<kjr>4 had a REALLY long lifecycle, 5 had what... a year?
[03:13]<rxrcr>was gonna say, I never knew anyone to run 5, so I never knew what problems it had
[03:14]<kjr>I'm running 5.4 on my server, but that's because I don't really know how to upgrade it
[03:14]<kjr>I suppose I could use stand/sysinstall
[03:15]<rxrcr>according to the releases site, 5.0 was released 01/2003 heh, bit old
[03:24]<rxrcr>gotta love payday
[03:24]<rxrcr>eating sushi tonight
[03:25]<[rg]sjryjlrvx>damn

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