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[00:00]<pz2>interesting
[00:00]<xylxjzys>you have instance constructors that initialize an instance of a type, right?
[00:00]<rxrcr>the generic collections are a godsend
[00:00]<xylxjzys>so let's say you have a list of things
[00:00]<pz2>I think I'd rather read a book :P
[00:00]<rxrcr>in any language
[00:00]<xylxjzys>List<int> l = new List<int>();
[00:00]<xylxjzys>l.Add(5);
[00:00]<xylxjzys>l.Add(6);
[00:00]<xylxjzys>int n = l.First;
[00:01]<xylxjzys>without generics you'd have to have casting
[00:01]<xylxjzys>Javascript and similar languages don't have these issues because variables are not typed
[00:01]<xylxjzys>values are typed
[00:01]<xylxjzys>but not variables
[00:01]<pz2>yay for no typing! :)
[00:01]<sulnzw2jd|www6>how do i connent to a remote database in express edition
[00:02]<d00g>super3boy|1337: Depends on what kinda database?
[00:02]<sulnzw2jd|www6>mysql
[00:02]<xylxjzys>frb: well, feel free to bounce any questions off of me. I'm happy to answer :)
[00:02]<pz2>that's what I use irc for ;:)
[00:02]<d00g>super3boy|1337: @ www.mysql.com you can download the MySQL Connector for .NET
[00:03]<pz2>if you have any html, css or js questions, I can most likely answer them
[00:03]<d00g>super3boy|1337: It provides you with a MySQL.Data.dll file you can Reference in your projects and you're ready
[00:04]<xylxjzys>frb: what languages have you worked with before?
[00:04]<xylxjzys>I did a fair amount with Javascript
[00:04]<sulnzw2jd|www6>how do i use it?
[00:04]<xylxjzys>before I worked on the C# compiler I worked at Amazon on AJAX-like stuff :)
[00:04]<pz2>Xiphoris: some python, perl, a little C and C++ mostly bourne shell script
[00:04]<sulnzw2jd|www6>im not an expert
[00:04]<xylxjzys>frb: oh, well think of the <> as std::list
[00:04]<xylxjzys>consider:
[00:04]<xylxjzys>#include <list>
[00:04]<xylxjzys>int main() {
[00:04]<pz2>I never touched STL
[00:05]<xylxjzys> std::list<int> l
[00:05]<xylxjzys>oh :)
[00:05]<pz2>I'm not much of a programmer, I've always been an excellent debugger though
[00:05]<rxrcr>Xiphoris, what part of amazon did you work in?
[00:05]<xylxjzys>chaka: community content team.. I worked on Listmania!
[00:06]<rxrcr>Xiphoris, cool. I interviewed for a position under the customer service team, something regarding issuetracking and somesuch internal tools
[00:06]<pz2>This book goes against all practical uses of .Net. If you want to know how to turn .Net into old COM then Juval is the man for you. I love .Net and all of the benefits of using it. Forget COM and let it die like all of the other dinosaur technolgies. All hail .Net.
[00:06]<pz2>Xiphoris: one of the like 4 people who hate your book
[00:07]<rxrcr>I turned em down, it sounded like they were hemoraging employees and needed bodies
[00:07]<d00g>super3boy|1337: Something like MySqlConnection con = new MySqlConnection("<connectionstring>"); for connection string find it on www.connectionstrings.com
[00:07]<rxrcr>hemmoraging* heh
[00:07]<sxrmmr>heh, does .net support interbase? *laugh*
[00:08]<sxrmmr>Never had to check til now
[00:08]<xylxjzys>frb: you must be looking at the wrong book
[00:08]<xylxjzys>Programming .NET Components is not about COM
[00:08]<cxnntjs>is there a simple way to override OnPaintBackground for a specific control (not the form)?
[00:08]<pz2>Xiphoris: the other 50 people love it
[00:08]<xylxjzys>orielly has another book called Programming COM Components
[00:08]<pz2>there's one called COM and Programming .NET Component Services
[00:09]<pz2>I expect he was reading that one
[00:09]<xylxjzys>aha, the latter one is not good
[00:09]<sxrmmr>frb, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131472275/sr=8-1/qid=1154207195/ref=sr_1_1/103-8090077-0191833?ie=UTF8
[00:09]<xylxjzys>I have that one "(Programming .NET COmponent Services)" and it does pretty much suck
[00:09]<sxrmmr>my suggestion. Best book on c# I ever read
[00:09]<xylxjzys>but, it is practical if you need it
[00:09]<sxrmmr>on .net too for that matter
[00:09]<xylxjzys>if you're doing COM stuff (like, have to for some reason) it's good
[00:09]<pz2>Shadda: I bookmarked that
[00:09]<xylxjzys>frb: this is the one I recommend: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596003471/102-5591093-9912923?v=glance&n=283155
[00:09]<pz2>We are entirely a webshop here
[00:10]<sxrmmr>Xiphoris, my book could beat your book up
[00:10]<sxrmmr>;)
[00:10]<d00g>super3boy|1337: For more information see: http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/dotnet/index.html#ADO.NET
[00:10]<xylxjzys>frb: what company?
[00:10]<sxrmmr>nah thats a good one too actually
[00:10]<xylxjzys>frb: looking for full time employees? *wink wink*
[00:10]<sxrmmr>That one's sitting on my book shelf
[00:10]<pz2>Xiphoris: yes, but we don't pay as well as the real world
[00:10]<xylxjzys>I can't wait to start using LINQ full-time
[00:11]<xylxjzys>frb: LINQ will make your web dev work so much easier :)
[00:11]<xylxjzys>I'm happy to be working with it even now
[00:12]<xylxjzys>I think C# will really take over the industry once Orcas comes out
[00:12]<d00g>Xiphoris: I can't get the CTP/Beta stuff installed :(
[00:12]<xylxjzys>a CTP of LINQ should be available in a few weeks
[00:12]<xylxjzys>the LINQ CTP?
[00:12]<xylxjzys>there will be an orcas CTP soon I believe :)
[00:12]<d00g>Framework 3.0
[00:12]<xylxjzys>hmm, I don't know what that is
[00:13]<xylxjzys>I would recommend waiting a couple of weeks for when we release an Orcas CTP
[00:13]<d00g>It's all the new Vista stuff
[00:13]<xylxjzys>all the other compilers are prototype stuff, not the real codebase
[00:13]<d00g>WCF, XAML, C# 3.0
[00:14]<pz2>I thought 2.0 just came out
[00:14]<d00g>it's still in Beta/CTP stay tuned @ http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/
[00:15]<xylxjzys>hmm, I don't think that stuff is related... or rather I'm not sure where it comes from
[00:15]<xylxjzys>that's probably the prototype C# compiler though
[00:15]<rxrcr>I'm looking forward to seeing what other changes are in 3.0
[00:15]<xylxjzys>we wrote a prototype compiler to demo the LINQ stuff, but it wasn't on the real codebase
[00:15]<xylxjzys>and was done quickly for exploration purposes
[00:17]<xylxjzys>chaka: I think the language feautres for 3.0 are pinned down
[00:17]<xylxjzys>chaka: I don't think we'll be changing anything significant... it's 4.0 that's under discussion as I understand it
[00:17]<xylxjzys>chaka: we'll be in beta in another few months so they better be pinned down... =p
[00:17]<rxrcr>Xiphoris, yeah, I just have no visability into that. I know WPF back and front, but indigo, linq and the other features I'm woefully ignorant on.
[00:17]<rxrcr>vsibility*
[00:19]<d00g>any of you fuzzing 'round with WebParts ?
[00:20]<pz2>I think I saw them in action once, and they were unbelievably slow

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