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[13:02]<kjr>before
[13:03]<rwyfcygs>Wikipedia says it's not true :-)
[13:03]<kjr>awilkins: I may have sold a copy to someone at my old job
[13:03]<kjr>awilkins: then again, I may not
[13:04]<kjr>one can never be too sure these days..
[13:06]<rwyfcygs>Hopefully this is the end of all the stupid hot weather.
[13:07]<rwyfcygs>It can't compensate for the Great European Vegetable Shortage though...
[13:08]<kjr>awilkins: it was 117F in my parent's neck of the woods... and they had no electricity
[13:08]<kjr>all hail the great fucking moron Arnold Schwartzenegger
[13:08]<rwyfcygs>Ah
[13:09]<rwyfcygs>I was just reading an article on him meeting Tony Blair and them agreeing that the environmental disaster is best solved by technology.
[13:09]<rwyfcygs>And agreeing that stem cell research is a good thing.
[13:09]<mjzymygo>Nuclear Energy
[13:09]<mjzymygo>yey!
[13:09]<rwyfcygs>At least he's not some kind of enormous luddite like GWB.
[13:10]<kjr>I'm not necessarily sure nuclear energy is the smartest idea in large quantities
[13:10]<kjr>radioactive waste is still an issue
[13:10]<mjzymygo>nore me
[13:10]<mjzymygo>exactly
[13:10]<mjzymygo>can someone tell that to the UK big-bods please?
[13:10]<rwyfcygs>Britains nuke policy is blatantly designed around nuclear proliferation
[13:10]<mjzymygo>you thought that too huh?
[13:10]<mjzymygo>>_O
[13:11]<rwyfcygs>When you look at the shortlist of approved reactor technologies they are all PWR designs
[13:11]<rwyfcygs>Which coincidentally are great for breeding plutonium.
[13:11]<mjzymygo>how many nukes do you need before the entire world reaches the "destroyed all over ten times factor"?
[13:11]<mjzymygo>not many more
[13:12]<rwyfcygs>Wheras the nice, safe-by-design, pebblebeds don't get a look in - because the fuel containment makes it a real bitch to pick weapons grade fissiles out.
[13:12]<mjzymygo>=O)
[13:12]<mjzymygo>It's nice to know i'm not the only one having problems with the governments current policy
[13:13]<rwyfcygs>Now this channel is in the spotlight of ECHELON, I'd just like to say "black-bag crypto anarchists who launder fissionable toffee" (all ECHELON hotwords. No, I've no idea why "toffee" is on the list=).
[13:13]<mjzymygo>right... i'm after some more coffee.
[13:13]<kjr>awilkins: the UKUSA network picks up quite a lot of traffic... analyzing it is another question entirely
[13:13]<mjzymygo>might eat some "toffee"
[13:14]<mjzymygo>Kog: i've seen shit that would turn you white
[13:14]<kjr>awilkins: the other point is that Dan Brown is a blithering moron
[13:14]<mjzymygo>bbiab
[13:14]<kjr>Moridin8: I already am white...
[13:14]<mjzymygo>albino then
[13:14]<kjr>Moridin8: russians are already pretty pale
[13:14]<rwyfcygs>Menwith Hill is scary enough, and that's just driving past it and hearing your radio go "bip-bip" as they point the scanners at you.
[13:15]<rwyfcygs>(Menwith Hill == largest NSA listening post in world ; Yorkshire, England)
[13:15]<rwyfcygs>Lots of big white geodesics
[13:15]<kjr>and yet, by-and-large none of that has absolutely any effect on anything
[13:15]<rwyfcygs>Signs that say "no pacemakers past this point" and plenty of not-so-thinly veiled threats of being shot.
[13:16]<rwyfcygs>Oh yes, on average I'm sure it just the paranoia of government
[13:16]<rwyfcygs>Apart from the odd trade-secret scalped from one country to another.
[13:17]<kjr>do you actually know anyone who's been dissapeared in a western nation?
[13:17]<rwyfcygs>Not personally, no.
[13:18]<rwyfcygs>They might use a plausible excuse though
[13:18]<rwyfcygs>Like "this man is a hacker OMG!111!!"
[13:18]<kjr>have you ever actually seen or had a friend get arrested like that?
[13:18]<rwyfcygs>No
[13:19]<mjzymygo>wilkins... I know somewhere bigger than Menwith ;)
[13:19]<kjr>Moridin8: my apartment?
[13:20]<rwyfcygs>OTOH, I don't move in subversive circles... :-)
[13:20]<mjzymygo>wow... must be a huge place... got any spare space there?
[13:20]<kjr>awilkins: the closest I've come is a friend of a friend got "arrested" for phreaking
[13:20]<rwyfcygs>I fancied buying one of those Titan II silos the yanks were selling off.
[13:20]<kjr>awilkins: and another time someone that was most likely the NSA took my father for a drive
[13:20]<kjr>neither of which were particularly surprising
[13:21]<mjzymygo>either way, just mentioning the words on that list ain't enough
[13:21]<mjzymygo>it's about intent and context
[13:21]<rwyfcygs>That has some caché, Kog ; I presume they had a "chat" with your dad because you're of eastern-bloc extraction?
[13:22]<kjr>awilkins: no, he's a ny jew
[13:22]<mjzymygo>uhn... phone
[13:22]<kjr>awilkins: they had a talk with him because his company was exporting a spreadsheet app with what was it.. 8bit encryption
[13:22]<kjr>or was it 4
[13:22]<rwyfcygs>Whee, what did he do? (and why was it not so surprising?)
[13:22]<rwyfcygs>Ah, sorry, simultyping
[13:23]<rwyfcygs>8-bit? WOuld have to have been > 40-bit to fall foul of crypto export restrictions.
[13:23]<rwyfcygs>NSA would LOVE 8-bit encrytpions to the be standard....
[13:23]<kjr>awilkins: this was quite a number of years ago...
[13:24]<rwyfcygs>The 40-bit limit was repealed quite a whiel ago too
[13:24]<rwyfcygs>I think the crypto restrictions are a lot more lenient now.
[13:25]<kjr>the US department of export has lifted restrictions
[13:25]<drdyrrr>the rest of the world knows enough about encryption to roll their own
[13:25]<rwyfcygs>Hell, GCHQ invented RSA before RSA did.
[13:26]<drdyrrr>so all that restriction did is stop US based companies competing
[13:26]<drdyrrr>... companies they could subpena to reveal weaknesses in the encryption if required....
[13:27]<kjr>awilkins: so the rumor goes
[13:27]<kjr>awilkins: except, it wasn't quite RSA
[13:27]<rwyfcygs>Not quite, no
[13:27]<kjr>awilkins: it was, however, PKI
[13:27]<rwyfcygs>Should have said "asymmetric encryption"
[13:33]<mjzymygj|pxjgn>GCHQ can decrypt all current cyphers on the fly.
[13:34]<mjzymygo>key or no key
[13:36]<mjzymygo>hello?
[13:40]<kjr>Moridin8: I most sincerely doubt that, but ok
[13:40]<lcs>GCHQ?
[13:40]<lcs>whats that?
[13:40]<mjzymygo>Kog. =)
[13:41]<kjr>pks: the Great Chlorine-Smugglers HQ
[13:41]<mjzymygo>as I said, i've seen stuff that will send you "albino"
[13:41]<lcs>;)
[13:41]<mjzymygo>by kog
[13:42]<mjzymygo>wb kog
[13:42]<mjzymygo>as I said, i've seen stuff that will send you "albino"
[13:42]<mjzymygo>it's not exactly top secret either.
[13:42]<rwyfcygs>Goverment Communications HeadQuarters

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