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[01:35]<kjr>are you going ooooot to a bar?
[01:35]<rxrcr>200 bugs down in 2 weeks, and my task list is still huge
[01:36]<rxrcr>mass dogfood begins aug 15th
[01:36]<rxrcr>and my boss still swings by once/twice a day with new feature requests
[01:36]<rxrcr>bleh
[01:37]<rxrcr>Kog, GF's parents are coming into town tonight. I'm gonna have to sneek some Rogue beer purchases from Cost plus before I go home
[01:37]<rxrcr>they have a chocolate stout that is incredible
[01:37]<zgzzcygnv>chaka, at microsoft?
[01:37]<zgzzcygnv>thats where you work right? :)
[01:37]<rxrcr>AnarkiNet, aye
[01:38]<rxrcr>for now anyway
[01:38]<zgzzcygnv>heh
[01:38]<zgzzcygnv>i bet you can't tell us what your working on...? :)
[01:38]<zgzzcygnv>*hint hint*
[01:38]<rxrcr>I have already :)
[01:39]<rxrcr>I work under the Avalon reading team, developing an app in partnership with nytimes called (oddly enough) Times Reader
[01:39]<zgzzcygnv>oh
[01:39]<zgzzcygnv>mobile device for reading <text> ?
[01:40]<rxrcr>Avalon/WPF isn't really targeted for mobile devices yet
[01:40]<tdzzds[dygsc>chaka: you are lier - u a working on "how to enslave the Galaxy" project!
[01:40]<zgzzcygnv>oh
[01:41]<rxrcr>AnarkiNet, this app is a bit closer to NYTimes' dream "E-Paper" application
[01:41]<zgzzcygnv>ah
[01:42]<rxrcr>AnarkiNet, desktop app where all visuals are data driven, down to exact font features
[01:43]<zgzzcygnv>"data driven" - *buzzphrase detected!*
[01:43]<rxrcr>AnarkiNet, I could explain in detail the exact controls available, but you'd get bored loong before I finish :p
[02:02]<rxrcr>67 hours this wee
[02:02]<rxrcr>k
[02:02]<rxrcr>beh
[02:18]<zgzzcygnv>so chaka what format are the NYTimes pages in for that TimesReader thing?
[02:18]<zgzzcygnv>XPS?
[02:19]<zgzzcygnv>or is it a custom designed format...
[02:19]<rxrcr>WPF FlowDocument is the "format"
[02:20]<rxrcr>it's basically xaml
[02:20]<zgzzcygnv>ah ok
[02:20]<rxrcr>for articles anyway
[02:21]<rxrcr>sections are custom pane controls that we made
[02:22]<rxrcr>we do render articles to XPS briefly for printing, it's easy with the wpf apis
[02:23]<zgzzcygnv>XPS seems pretty interesting...
[02:23]<zgzzcygnv>sort of like "PDF++" from what i've seen :P
[02:24]<rxrcr>basically. I've only played around with it a little bit as this app doesn't use it much
[02:25]<rxrcr>was thinking of a side project rendering gutenberg e-texts as FlowDocuments. If done properly, it'd be easy to render those as XPS and view them with any reader
[02:25]<zgzzcygnv>hmmm
[02:26]<kjr>fucking tigard... it's going to take me 3 hours to travel 13.25 miles
[02:26]<kjr>if only I had a car
[02:26]<pz2>rush hour traffic can do that
[02:26]<kjr>no, it's going to be around 10am
[02:26]<rxrcr>right now the gutenberg etexts are a bad mix of formats, 7-Bit/8-Bit ascii, sometimes html, sometimes xml, plucker, etc
[02:26]<kjr>public transit is just shitty
[02:27]<zgzzcygnv>when i first heard of XPS i was kind of thinking that sometime in the future we'd have a universal windows forms XPS Control, and everything could just use that
[02:27]<rxrcr>AnarkiNet, rendering them consistantly would be a challenge, but it'd be cool if it worked
[02:27]<rxrcr>AnarkiNet, they have XPS readers available now.. and from what I heard they're easy to make
[02:28]<rxrcr>someone boasted about finding one on linux, but I haven't verified that yet
[02:28]<zgzzcygnv>hmm
[02:29]<nffylsys_>what's XPS?
[02:29]<rxrcr>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/xps/default.mspx
[02:29]<zgzzcygnv>XML Paper Specification
[02:30]<nffylsys_>oh
[02:30]<rxrcr>freshmeat came up negative for XPS readers, ohwell
[02:31]<rxrcr>I like it only because I hate how acrobat reader gets bigger and bigger, it's kindof annoying
[02:32]<zgzzcygnv>yep
[02:33]<pz2>is XPS replacing MDI?
[02:34]<rxrcr>one can only hope
[02:37]<rxrcr>in word12 I can print to both XPS and MDI
[02:37]<rxrcr>guess it remains to be seen
[02:37]<zgzzcygnv>MDI?
[02:38]<rxrcr>Microsoft Document Imaging
[02:38]<kjr>I read that as the MDI GUI layout
[02:40]<zgzzcygnv>same
[02:48]<pz2>ya know, people on the internet are stupid
[02:49]<pz2>there's one entry on an msdn blog saying that there will be non-ms platform viewers for XPS, and another person on a random site saying that there are no plans for non-ms viewers
[02:50]<nffylsys_>umm
[02:50]<nffylsys_>anybody here who's used the property grid before/
[02:50]<rxrcr>frb, load of crap. Every PM I've talked to here about XPS is pushing multi-platform
[02:50]<pz2>if they want to kill PDF, it has to be
[02:50]<rxrcr>frb, the Jolt team (WPF "Everywhere") is implementing XPS as part of their features
[02:51]<rxrcr>imagine if the flash plugin loaded up PDF documents.. that's what they want Jolt to do
[02:51]<pz2>oh, it can, if they have been prepared with flashpaper
[02:51]<rxrcr>nice
[02:52]<rxrcr>didn't konw that
[02:52]<pz2>flashpaper can take almost any current MS document, or pdf and make it into an SWF
[02:52]<rxrcr>Single user license $79 heh
[02:52]<pz2>yeah, well...
[02:52]<pz2>Adobe does seem more greedy than MS
[02:53]<pz2>the XPS license looks rather nice, but gnu will hate it
[02:54]<rxrcr>lookin forward to see what jolt turns into, it'd be really cool to have C#/xaml interpreted client side
[02:54]<pz2>if xaml supports linux better than flash (which doesn't seem hard), I'll stop hating it
[02:55]<pz2>AND, if xaml is cross-platform scriptable from javascript
[02:57]<rxrcr>yeah remains to be seen what the featureset is. I still hear one of the gfx devs yelling about the osx support from time to time
[02:57]<rxrcr>guy is so loud I decided to bring my sennheisers to work
[02:58]<[dam]>ahaha
[02:58]<rxrcr>frb, I've seen demos of old builds where this page which is a mix of html, javascript and xaml renders as "XamlPad", and displays a series of geometric shapes and animates them
[02:59]<pz2>chaka: does it work in anything other than IE7 though?
[02:59]<pz2>WMP is scriptable... in IE on windows ONLY
[02:59]<rxrcr>prob not
[02:59]<rxrcr>not yet anyway
[02:59]<rxrcr>and the demo I saw was IE6
[03:00]<rxrcr>where the jolt engine was housed as an activex control or something

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