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[07:58]<axjwmgyggm>yes
[08:07]<axjwmgyggm>are you working on parts of it?
[08:11]<gjrvqt>i just fixed the error that you found with the method defined not in a class
[08:12]<gjrvqt>so yes
[08:12]<axjwmgyggm>i added links to the IDEs
[08:12]<axjwmgyggm>is there a link for MSDN?
[08:12]<gjrvqt>great!
[08:33]<axjwmgyggm>are there any tools for editing wikis?
[08:33]<gjrvqt>usually just the little javascript window that they provide
[08:34]<gjrvqt>they have buttons for the basic elements at the top, but i belive some things are missing (such as tables)
[08:35]<zgzzcygnv>if wikis used a standardized document format for example XPS.... :P
[08:35]<sz2yzgrzzsx>i think wikitext is lame
[08:36]<sz2yzgrzzsx>might as well be html at that point
[08:36]<sz2yzgrzzsx>then you can just use a RTE control
[08:36]<zgzzcygnv>yeah
[08:38]<axjwmgyggm>well its a pain
[08:38]<axjwmgyggm>to write all these commands by hand
[08:38]<axjwmgyggm>{{C sharp/kw|new}} etc...
[08:38]<axjwmgyggm>I am so used to VS.Net writing everything for me :D
[08:38]<zgzzcygnv>lol
[08:41]<sz2yzgrzzsx>A wiki (originally called Quickweb) is an editable website that does not require users to know HTML. <-- That is correct however it causes them to have to learn another language that is just as hard as html if not harder
[08:42]<zgzzcygnv>where is the source for that "originally called quickweb" part?
[08:42]<zgzzcygnv>i think thats incorrect
[08:42]<sz2yzgrzzsx>wikipedia
[08:43]<zgzzcygnv>thats not a 100% reliable source
[08:43]<sz2yzgrzzsx>of course not
[08:43]<sz2yzgrzzsx>no source is
[08:43]<zgzzcygnv>The first wiki, WikiWikiWeb, is named after the "Wiki Wiki" line of Chance RT-52 buses in Honolulu International Airport, Hawaii. It was created in 1994 and installed on the web in 1995 by Ward Cunningham, who also created the Portland Pattern Repository. "Wiki-wiki" means "hurry quick" in Hawaiian. It also refers to a type of native fish of the islands.
[08:44]<axjwmgyggm>hey so
[08:45]<axjwmgyggm>how would i make a comment green?
[08:45]<sz2yzgrzzsx>I doubt that too, how does one know the exact origin of something especially during a highly chaotic unorganized time for the internet
[08:45]<sz2yzgrzzsx>that might have been the first usages of the term wiki
[08:45]<zgzzcygnv>sabiancrash - probably because the guy was smart and documented everything he was doing? :)
[08:46]<sz2yzgrzzsx>but what it the first use of alternate markup for the purposes of information sharing?
[08:47]<sz2yzgrzzsx>I would like to meet that man, cause documentation is a lost art
[08:47]<sz2yzgrzzsx>no one documents anymore
[08:47]<currpurjrv>so true
[08:49]<zgzzcygnv>also
[08:49]<zgzzcygnv>pretty much every wiki has its own markup
[08:49]<sz2yzgrzzsx>exactly
[08:50]<zgzzcygnv>however most of them are based off of the original (WikiWikiWeb)
[09:03]<jyvnzs>using a handle, how can i identify a process, an executable and a path to that executable
[09:03]<jyvnzs>such that i can kill the process, then restart it again at a later time
[09:03]<jyvnzs>i want to pass this handle via command line
[09:06]<sz2yzgrzzsx>?
[09:07]<sz2yzgrzzsx>are you writing this console app?
[09:07]<sz2yzgrzzsx>if so just make some winapi calls
[09:07]<jyvnzs>which api calls
[09:08]<sz2yzgrzzsx>are you passing window handles?
[09:08]<jyvnzs>yeah
[09:09]<jyvnzs>i can pass something else
[09:09]<jyvnzs>i can pass the executable path itself
[09:09]<jyvnzs>i just need to be able to find the process
[09:09]<jyvnzs>and kill it
[09:09]<sz2yzgrzzsx>GetWindowProcessID <-- i think that will get it based on hwnd
[09:10]<jyvnzs>can i get the executable from that
[09:10]<jyvnzs>actually that may be enough
[09:11]<sz2yzgrzzsx>ahh, this is what i was thinking of
[09:11]<sz2yzgrzzsx>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winui/winui/windowsuserinterface/windowing/windows/windowreference/windowfunctions/getwindowthreadprocessid.asp
[09:11]<jyvnzs>how can i get the handle of a program locking or using a file
[09:12]<sz2yzgrzzsx>then just pass that to the Process class
[09:12]<sz2yzgrzzsx>are you rewriting file mon?
[09:13]<jyvnzs>auto-updater
[09:14]<jyvnzs>i'm using bits to download updated assemblies, but sometimes those assemblies are currently in use
[09:14]<jyvnzs>and i can't update them
[09:14]<jyvnzs>i just need to prompt the user "stop these programs first"
[09:14]<jyvnzs>1.) get handle of app locking file
[09:14]<jyvnzs>2.) get window title of app
[09:17]<sz2yzgrzzsx>ahh
[09:18]<jyvnzs>i cant find any documentation on getting the file handle either
[09:19]<sz2yzgrzzsx>http://www.sysinternals.com/utilities/handle.html
[09:19]<sz2yzgrzzsx>haha
[09:19]<sz2yzgrzzsx>they have a cmd line version of proc explorer
[09:20]<jyvnzs>the only way to get the handle is in kernel mode
[09:20]<sz2yzgrzzsx>basically you need to enumerate the process, check their open file handles, and determine if there is match
[09:20]<jyvnzs>how do you get their open file handles
[09:21]<jyvnzs>i dont think its possible
[09:21]<jyvnzs>in user mode
[09:21]<sz2yzgrzzsx>exactly, i am looking for the api call
[09:21]<sz2yzgrzzsx>well
[09:21]<sz2yzgrzzsx>process explorer does it
[09:21]<sz2yzgrzzsx>not sure how
[09:22]<sz2yzgrzzsx>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q232830/
[09:22]<sz2yzgrzzsx>HAHAH!
[09:27]<zgzzcygnv>by the way:
[09:27]<zgzzcygnv>http://c2.com/doc/etymology.html
[09:30]<sz2yzgrzzsx>jivers, i am looking at http://www.codeguru.com/Cpp/W-P/dll/article.php/c3641/ right now
[09:31]<jyvnzs>looking
[09:47]<sz2yzgrzzsx>i need sleep
[11:04]<jyvnzs>good find sabian
[11:04]<mjzymygo>Jivers... what was with that HP job posting yesterday???
[11:05]<jyvnzs>in case anyone was interested
[11:05]<mjzymygo>??
[11:05]<mjzymygo>uh. k
[11:05]<mjzymygo>You work for HP?
[11:05]<jyvnzs>no
[11:05]<jyvnzs>used to

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